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Does this mean that engineering a virus at a multi-government lab and then it escapes, causing draconian lockdown and forced medications across the world, might

Does this mean that engineering a virus at a multi-government lab and then it escapes, causing draconian lockdown and forced medications across the world, might really happen now ?

EdwardDiego 2y ago
Don't need to hitch your little weird obsession to any passing car mate.
candiddevmike 2y ago
While I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, it's sad that we didn't learn doing boring, human researcher GoF research is bad. Now we are going to do AI assisted GoF research.
- klabb3 2y ago
  They only really claimed to believe in the conspiracy theory of lab leak, which many do and isn’t at all outrageous imo. But to your point, I 100% agree. Even if Covid was zoonotic, it absolutely could have been a human fuckup. The amount of lab leaks over the years, including things like Anthrax, Polio, SARS and even Covid (yes, in Taiwan after the initial outbreak) from BSL3 and 4, are just waaay to common. After a plane crash, there are almost always changes to protocol, equipment or even the aircraft. Here, we had millions of casualties globally, and this risk is as real now as yesterday. I get that we have pandemic fatigue, and nobody wants to think about it. But if keep playing with fire, it will happen again, sooner or later.
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    The lab leak hypothesis is by far the most likely explanation. The CCP is not a trustworthy actor, so their version of the events need to be taken with massive skepticism. Once you ignore their narrative and look at the actual facts, it becomes obvious.
- lawlessone 2y ago
  That GoF research saves us time by figuring out the most probable routes or ways a virus could mutate to something worse.
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    In theory that is true but it all goes out the window when one of these viruses escapes lab containment and causes a global pandemic.
kmeisthax 2y ago
> multi-government lab What are you talking about? The Wuhan Institute of Virology is firmly located on sovereign Chinese territory. In fact, the main reason why any serious scientist should still give the lab leak theory the time of day is due to the fact that China was so cagey with what was going on at the WIV. If this lab was multi-governmental we would have the data China withheld and the lab leak theory wouldn't have any shadow to lie in. Furthermore, the real problem with the lab leak theory is that it does not matter whether or not it is true. If COVID-19 originated from animal sources, then we should regulate wet markets, crack down on the endangered animal trade, and stop doing gain-of-function research. If COVID-19 originated from a lab, then we should stop doing gain-of-function research, regulate wet markets, and crack down on the endangered animal trade. All of those things are very prudent things to do if you want to slow down the introduction of novel pathogens.
- _mlbt 2y ago
  Other than politics why would you believe any other scenario to be more likely than the lab leak hypothesis at this point? It’s far too much of a coincidence that patient zero was in such close proximity to the WIV that studies and researches viruses exactly like COVID-19. The actions of the CCP and those aligned with their interests just further cements the likelihood of this hypothesis.
  - j7ake 2y ago
    The evidence favors spread from market: Here is a review paper of all the evidence so far: https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-virology-093022-013037 https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annur...
    - _mlbt 2y ago
      Not true, there is significant evidence that actually favors the lab leak hypothesis… https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-19_the_evidence_lopsidedly_favors_a_lab_leak_1100436.html https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-1... Additionally the Biden administration and other world governments suppressed the lab leak hypothesis which means that researchers seeking government funding had an incentive to support the official wet market narrative instead… https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-administration-suppressed-dissent/ https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-adminis...

Does this mean that engineering a virus at a multi-government lab and then it escapes, causing draconian lockdown and forced medications across the world, might really happen now ?

EdwardDiego 2y ago

Don't need to hitch your little weird obsession to any passing car mate.

candiddevmike 2y ago

While I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, it's sad that we didn't learn doing boring, human researcher GoF research is bad. Now we are going to do AI assisted GoF research.

klabb3 2y ago
They only really claimed to believe in the conspiracy theory of lab leak, which many do and isn’t at all outrageous imo. But to your point, I 100% agree. Even if Covid was zoonotic, it absolutely could have been a human fuckup. The amount of lab leaks over the years, including things like Anthrax, Polio, SARS and even Covid (yes, in Taiwan after the initial outbreak) from BSL3 and 4, are just waaay to common. After a plane crash, there are almost always changes to protocol, equipment or even the aircraft. Here, we had millions of casualties globally, and this risk is as real now as yesterday. I get that we have pandemic fatigue, and nobody wants to think about it. But if keep playing with fire, it will happen again, sooner or later.
- _mlbt 2y ago
  The lab leak hypothesis is by far the most likely explanation. The CCP is not a trustworthy actor, so their version of the events need to be taken with massive skepticism. Once you ignore their narrative and look at the actual facts, it becomes obvious.
lawlessone 2y ago
That GoF research saves us time by figuring out the most probable routes or ways a virus could mutate to something worse.
- _mlbt 2y ago
  In theory that is true but it all goes out the window when one of these viruses escapes lab containment and causes a global pandemic.

kmeisthax 2y ago

> multi-government lab What are you talking about? The Wuhan Institute of Virology is firmly located on sovereign Chinese territory. In fact, the main reason why any serious scientist should still give the lab leak theory the time of day is due to the fact that China was so cagey with what was going on at the WIV. If this lab was multi-governmental we would have the data China withheld and the lab leak theory wouldn't have any shadow to lie in. Furthermore, the real problem with the lab leak theory is that it does not matter whether or not it is true. If COVID-19 originated from animal sources, then we should regulate wet markets, crack down on the endangered animal trade, and stop doing gain-of-function research. If COVID-19 originated from a lab, then we should stop doing gain-of-function research, regulate wet markets, and crack down on the endangered animal trade. All of those things are very prudent things to do if you want to slow down the introduction of novel pathogens.

_mlbt 2y ago
Other than politics why would you believe any other scenario to be more likely than the lab leak hypothesis at this point? It’s far too much of a coincidence that patient zero was in such close proximity to the WIV that studies and researches viruses exactly like COVID-19. The actions of the CCP and those aligned with their interests just further cements the likelihood of this hypothesis.
- j7ake 2y ago
  The evidence favors spread from market: Here is a review paper of all the evidence so far: https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-virology-093022-013037 https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annur...
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    Not true, there is significant evidence that actually favors the lab leak hypothesis… https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-19_the_evidence_lopsidedly_favors_a_lab_leak_1100436.html https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-1... Additionally the Biden administration and other world governments suppressed the lab leak hypothesis which means that researchers seeking government funding had an incentive to support the official wet market narrative instead… https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-administration-suppressed-dissent/ https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-adminis...