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Samsung copied Xcode?
- agscala 14y agoThere are a few similarities, but really a lot of these features that any capable IDE should have
- katabatic 14y agoFeatures are one thing - yes, nearly all IDEs have lots of the same features. But that looks like they copied XCode 4's appearance directly. It's a pity the screenshots are so low resolution - hopefully some higher resolution shots of the Samsung software will turn up. But even in this example it's easy to spot lifted design elements: * The centered tab selector buttons in the title bar of each pane * The overall styling of the widget pallet, including the round-rect selection * The arrangement of the primary toolbar and its assorted option buttons, which clearly mimics XCode. * The colors and gradients
- jmduke 14y agoA screenshot of Eclipse that I grabbed off Google Images: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/e/eclipse_ide_for_c-c++_developers-133195-1.jpeg http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/e/eclipse_i... I don't use a lot of IDEs, but I honestly can't see any substantial distinctions between any of the three. (And no, I don't consider centering a pane a distinction.)
- stephengillie 14y agoThey both look a lot like Visual Studio to me.
- M4v3R 14y agoEclipse is entirely different - it's not about similiar layout. Look closely at right pane both in Xcode and in Samsung IDE. Object library and inspector look VERY similiar.
- cmelbye 14y agoOh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png vs http://cl.ly/IjUP http://cl.ly/IjUP http://i.imgur.com/2nmUn.png http://i.imgur.com/2nmUn.png vs http://i.imgur.com/4NFV6.png http://i.imgur.com/4NFV6.png http://i.imgur.com/HJ9s4.png http://i.imgur.com/HJ9s4.png vs http://i.imgur.com/qgpWc.png http://i.imgur.com/qgpWc.png (that bar above "Scheme" is, you guessed it, a drop down)
- jmduke 14y agoYou honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? I honestly don't know. I don't use any IDE on a regular basis. Judging by the relative quality of your screenshots, you use XCode -- is it possible that you'd be able to point out such similarities between any two IDEs, given the presumption that one IDE must be copying from another due to a current lawsuit?
- katabatic 14y ago> is it possible that you'd be able to point out such similarities between any two IDEs Not down to the level of design elements that appear to have been copied here. As someone who does use XCode, Visual Studio, IntelliJ, and PyCharm all on a regular basis, I can tell you that they all look very distinct visually. They all have pretty much the same feature set, but they're absolutely distinguishable at a glance visually. It is definitely not inevitable that IDEs look the same. Interestingly, the Samsung IDE is a Windows application. The standard practice would be to match the look and feel of the native platform the IDE runs on, but that is clearly not the case here.
- jonhendry 14y ago"is it possible that you'd be able to point out such similarities between any two IDEs" Most IDEs (Delphi, Eclipse, VS, VB) look a lot like VS & VB. That seems to be the template most often. Xcode, having roots at NeXT, has always been a bit different, UI-wise. It has similar functions, presented in different ways, sometimes significantly different.
- keithnoizu 14y agoAnd que the return of the look feel wars of the early 90s.
- cube13 14y agoWhich is a silly thing to copy. Visual studio has a different color scheme than XCode, and both have different color schemes than Eclipse. The iconography is similar(i.e. use of a "play" button for running the debugger), but the actual buttons are definitely different between XCode, VS, and Eclipse. XCode uses the iTunes-like circular black triangle on a grey circle button. VS uses a green triangle. Eclipse uses a green circle with a white arrow.
- jonhendry 14y agoI don't think anyone would care about this, if Samsung didn't seem to have a compulsion to copy so many Apple designs. Copying Xcode's UI is not, in itself, a huge issue. But along with all the rest, it just looks rather shabby.
- anshargal 14y agoAs a person who use Xcode every day, I can tell that the right column indeed looks extremely similar to Xcode. Especially widget panel and property editor. Of course there are a lot of features that any capable IDE should have, but the overall look can't be so coincidental. Sorry.
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- mmariani 14y agoHey Samsung! Why don't you guys get rid of those copy machines and hire some talented people? I'm sure that would be a lot cheaper that what you'll have to pay for Apple. ;-)
- masry 14y agoNever in my life a samsung product. Never.
- electic 14y agoIt is really sad to see Samsung throw away any brand capital it had as an innovative company. People respect you trying to innovate even if it might not be the best solution. People want to associate themselves with innovators. Disappointing.
- taligent 14y agoThis is Samsung's raison d'être. They've been doing this with the Japanese companies (Sony, Panasonic, Sharp) for years now and have now set their sights on Apple. It's a bad reflection on South Korea itself as between Samsung, Hyundai and the cultural copying they have the reputation as wannabe Japanese. Which is a real shame as it is a wonderful country with plenty of home grown talent.
- randomfool 14y agoOr maybe they cloned Visual Studio. Or Flash Builder. Or whatever. All of the IDEs with a design surface are largely the same. Seriously- this is an IDE for televisions.
- gilini 14y agoAgreed. Qt Designer used to look pretty much the same as well. Actually, I don't know why this court nonsense is still making the news.
- taligent 14y agoJust went all the previous QT Designer screenshots in Google Images. And not a single one looks similar to either Xcode or the Samsung IDE. And the court nonsense is still news because the case isn't over yet and this is demonstrating a pattern of copying by Samsung.
- gilini 14y agoLet me help you out then. QT Designer: http://www.cppblog.com/images/cppblog_com/lai3d/qt-designer.jpg http://www.cppblog.com/images/cppblog_com/lai3d/qt-designer.... Samsung: http://i50.tinypic.com/suu26w.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/suu26w.jpg I still think there's too much attention being given to this trial by tech people. Much more than it deserves.
- fredoliveira 14y agoIf you've used Xcode before, you'll recognize things they copied that are not the norm in other IDEs. The object library, IB screen, the layout buttons on the toolbar (the entire toolbar, really). Sure, it's just an IDE, but heck if it doesn't look strikingly similar to Xcode. edit: cmelbye in this thread has a good comparison: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4378379 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4378379
- ajross 14y agoOther than the placement (but not iconography: those come straight from the 1980's VCR) of the Start/Stop buttons, I'm actually not quite sure that I see much. Can you elaborate? What's an "IB screen" (if it's the visual layout thing, I gotta say you're off by about 15 years trying to attribute that to Apple). But fair enough: let's say they cloned it. Now what? What corrective action should be taken? What if Eclipse did the same thing (as, of course, Eclipse basically did to VC++)? You're trying to make some kind of moral point, so it would help your case if you spelled it out. I'll spell out my position: cloning a UI is fine. There is a long history of this in the technology industry, and we're all richer for it. Condemning someone for cloning your favorite candy maker's recipe is nothing but base fanboism, and hurtful to all of us.
- shn 14y agoI think this is just a prank.
- calciphus 14y agoMan, XCode looks a lot like Eclipse.
- taligent 14y agoI take it you've never used XCode or Eclipse. If you did you would know that they are world's apart as far as IDEs are concerned.
- calciphus 14y agoActually, used both quite a bit. But the UI and project layout (the subject of this post) are very similar, as they are with most IDEs. Case in point: http://ostatic.com/files/images/JUnit-[2].png http://ostatic.com/files/images/JUnit-[2].png
- MetalMASK 14y agoI cannot see a clear evidence to support the claim (that "samsung copied Xcode"). If you can reach that claim from the screenshot, you can make the same claim for netbeans, eclipse, intellJ,...etc (as the author admits him/herself, any capable IDE looks similar). If the claim is on the icon design along, the claim could stand stronger; but I guess it's not "catchy" enough to claim "Samsung copied XCode's icon design". Why don't people make such claims on open-source projects? Is it because open-source project has no money for other people to sue off?
- Zarathust 14y agoAbout every IDE that support dockable panels can be customized to look like this. They can also be reorganized to look entirely different. Quick, find the patent for dockable panels and sue everyone!
- csarva 14y agoWell, since you mention it.. this happened back in 2000 when Adobe sued Macromedia over "copied" IDE elements (before eventually buying them out..). http://www.pcworld.com/article/18000/adobe_sues_macromedia.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/18000/adobe_sues_macromedia.h...
- jonhendry 14y agoXcode's panels aren't movable, like Visual Studio's are. There are panels that appear in certain places, and can be hidden, and their sizes adjusted. But it's not like VS where you can grab something tear it off, stick it on the other side of the window, etc. And I haven't seen any pictures that suggest Samsung's IDE has any configuration other than one that mimics Xcode's appearance. But it's more than just the arrangement of functional areas. It's the appearance of the functional areas. The widget palette looks just like Xcode's, with icons on the left and lengthy descriptive text. That's different from the inspector on Delphi/VS, where there's a dynamic list of attributes for the selected UI widget in the UI editor, and each attribute that is editable has a place to edit it.
- aristidb 14y agoNext pundits will say even MATLAB copied Xcode... No, I'm pretty sure Samsung did not explicitly copy Xcode there. Although it's a pretty stupid move to create their own IDE in my opinion. I think the standard these days is to build on top of Eclipse.
- chmod775 14y agoEdit: As I said, it's not even Java: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png <Edit2> Apparently it's made by Samsung. I see some Samsung logo on this website: http://www.imaso.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=article&keywords=%C0%D0%C0%BB%B0%C5%B8%AE%3B%B5%F0%BA%A7%B7%CE%C6%DB+%C7%C3%B7%AF%BD%BA&page=7&wr_id=38537 http://www.imaso.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=ar... From what I understand it's a SDK for Samsung Smart TV's http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/17(2).png http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/17(2).png </Edit2> >Some probably shooped image with a small resolution >Some asian language >No proof it's made by Samsung >2 lines of description posted in a in a mac forum This sounds totally legit. I want to remind you guys of the current top post at the front page: http://day4.se/how-we-screwed-almost-the-whole-apple-community http://day4.se/how-we-screwed-almost-the-whole-apple-communi... Don't believe everything. We do not even know if Samsung made it or if it has anything to do with android.
- cmelbye 14y agoIf you look at one of the first sentences: I present you the development environment for Samsung's smart TVs. I don't know why you're looking for Java/Android clues.
- moondowner 14y agoLegit hi-res screenshot! I agree with all your points. It's definitely a lookalike copy of XCode, but there's no proof that it's made by Samsung nor that it's used for Smart TV. All I can see from it is that it's some-sort of a JavaScript/HTML5? IDE.
- stephan83 14y agoI had to build a couple of Samsung TV apps, and that indeed looks like their IDE. It's Javascript (you can use HTML or Flash). Not much of a threat to Apple though, it is the worst platform I have ever developed for. Try it for yourself: http://www.samsungdforum.com/ http://www.samsungdforum.com/
- neya 14y agoFunny, I have seen this forum layout somewhere...OMG! Macrumours has copied PhpBB!!
- cmelbye 14y agoFor comparison... Samsung's IDE: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Xcode: http://cl.ly/Ijas http://cl.ly/Ijas Of course, as Samsung apologists will tell you, this was a pure accident on Samsung's part. Everyone knows there's only one way to design an IDE. Anyone designing one will eventually end up with a carbon-copy of Xcode.
- Gigablah 14y agoAs someone who has extensively used Xcode, I can assure you it's not a "carbon copy". And hey, here's a screenshot of Visual Basic: http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC158544.gif http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC158544.gif
- moondowner 14y agoIndeed there's a Samsung IDE: http://www.samsungdforum.com/Devtools/Sdkdownload http://www.samsungdforum.com/Devtools/Sdkdownload (they offer SDK Download for Eclipse, and SDK Download for Samsung IDE). I haven't downloaded it but I'm assuming it's the one in the screenshot.
- shomyo 14y agoSilly apple fanboys :/
- thezilch 14y agoGarbage. Alert, alert, developer modifies his IDE to be cross-platform familiar and become more productive! A few minutes ago I snapped this screenshot of what the official downloadable TV SDK looked like (the Samsung IDE version; not the Eclipse version): http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=352612&d=1344741319 http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3526... [0] [0] http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15447288&postcount=1091 http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=15447288&post...
- cooldeal 14y agoIt's funny that there are a lot of people who think doing the below is okay, but copying some GUI elements is not. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p5akC0fNzZQ/Tfdnlsy7e0I/AAAAAAAAAY8/wtWWMeAtwI4/s1600/ReactOS_0.3_-_9%255B1%255D.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p5akC0fNzZQ/Tfdnlsy7e0I/AAAAAAAAAY...
- georgemcbay 14y agoSamsung is clearly addicted to copying Apple. And I say that as someone who doesn't like Apple. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4353925 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4353925
- lsiebert 14y agoHonestly, I saw that and thought visual studio. The example code colors are very visual studio like.
- olgeni 14y agoEnough is enough. Samsung: I'm willing to go to all thermonucular over this.
- nivla 14y agoWhat's with a lot of fanboism posts lately??? Heck the linked post doesn't even offer a clear picture of either of the IDE's. IDE's often look similar and its no secret. This is because developers often have to use different IDEs for different tasks and relearning a drastically different IDE is just a waste of time and resource. If I have to be in OP's shoes, I would find even Xcode to be a direct clone of Visual Basic's IDE!!!
- jonhendry 14y agoThe amount of detail-blindness I'm seeing here is astounding. No wonder so many UIs are terrible.
- plugger 14y agoI think if there were patents in relation to Xcode Apple Legal would have acted on it. If the UI layout isn't patented then is there really an issue?