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You personally know the conditions? You know that the workers would be better off not having the option of working in the Zara factory? I don't mean a choice be

by imgabe 1y ago

You personally know the conditions? You know that the workers would be better off not having the option of working in the Zara factory? I don't mean a choice between working for Zara and a hypothetical fantasy option of them working in an office with 40 hour work weeks and air conditioning, I mean their actual other option like subsistence farming or whatever they did before there was a Zara factory. You feel you are more entitled to make that choice for the workers than they are themselves?

jsiepkes 1y ago
And how does that same reasoning apply to your first example? Giving money to someone who you know is going to buy a bullet to murder someone. "You don't have all the details, he could be murdering a bad person"? Something like that I guess?
- imgabe 1y ago
  The example is deliberately contrived and hyperbolic. In real life, if there is reliable evidence that someone is murdering people, the police conduct an investigation, we have a trial, and they go to jail. You know what we don't do? We don't go "Hey, I think Bob the pen-seller is a murderer. Nobody buy his pens so hopefully he runs out of money and can't afford to murder people anymore". We don't do that because it would be a really stupid and ineffective way of stopping murderers, and it's really stupid and ineffective for most other things too.
jmye 1y ago
> You personally know the conditions? You think I can only understand the conditions if.. what? I've directly worked at the factory? Published a peer-reviewed study? > You know that the workers would be better off not having the option of working in the Zara factory? That’s not the only other option and presenting it that way is intentionally dishonest. This entire line of thinking, as presented, is absolute sophism and bad faith.
- imgabe 1y ago
  > You think I can only understand the conditions if.. what? I've directly worked at the factory? Published a peer-reviewed study? When do you think you understand the conditions? When you watch a TikTok video about it? When you read an artistic the Atlantic? When you watch a segment 60 minutes?
  - jmye 1y ago
    I guess I’m unclear why you don’t want to answer what I thought was a fairly simple question. Being evasive just looks like doubling-down on the dishonest way you’ve approached the entire conversation.

by imgabe 1y ago

jsiepkes 1y ago

And how does that same reasoning apply to your first example? Giving money to someone who you know is going to buy a bullet to murder someone. "You don't have all the details, he could be murdering a bad person"? Something like that I guess?

imgabe 1y ago
The example is deliberately contrived and hyperbolic. In real life, if there is reliable evidence that someone is murdering people, the police conduct an investigation, we have a trial, and they go to jail. You know what we don't do? We don't go "Hey, I think Bob the pen-seller is a murderer. Nobody buy his pens so hopefully he runs out of money and can't afford to murder people anymore". We don't do that because it would be a really stupid and ineffective way of stopping murderers, and it's really stupid and ineffective for most other things too.

jmye 1y ago

> You personally know the conditions? You think I can only understand the conditions if.. what? I've directly worked at the factory? Published a peer-reviewed study? > You know that the workers would be better off not having the option of working in the Zara factory? That’s not the only other option and presenting it that way is intentionally dishonest. This entire line of thinking, as presented, is absolute sophism and bad faith.

imgabe 1y ago
> You think I can only understand the conditions if.. what? I've directly worked at the factory? Published a peer-reviewed study? When do you think you understand the conditions? When you watch a TikTok video about it? When you read an artistic the Atlantic? When you watch a segment 60 minutes?
- jmye 1y ago
  I guess I’m unclear why you don’t want to answer what I thought was a fairly simple question. Being evasive just looks like doubling-down on the dishonest way you’ve approached the entire conversation.