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What if your app needs to send notifications and/or use bluetooth, for instance ?

intrasight 1y ago
From what I hear, most users disable notifications. You can do like Airbnb and send text messages. You can do Bluetooth in JavaScript through the Web Bluetooth API.
- Sayrus 1y ago
  A little caveat of Web Bluetooth API is that it's like WebUSB and mostly available on Chrome. I don't think Chrome for iOS is using blink yet so you'll probably not have access to this API on iOS.
  - madeofpalk 1y ago
    Both WebUSB and WebBluetooth is still a draft spec, and is doubtful to progress any further with both Mozilla and Webkit objecting to it https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluetooth https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluetooth https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention/#anti-fingerprinting https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention/#anti-fingerprinting Essentially, these are proprietary that are a part of an embrace, extend, and extinguish strategy by Google Chrome.
- thoroughburro 1y ago
  > From what I hear, most users disable notifications. Where’d you hear that? Surely most users don’t change defaults.
  - acdha 1y ago
    There isn’t a default on iOS, you’re prompted for each new app when it requests notification permissions. People have found that users hit no a lot more when the app prompts with no explanation than when it clearly explains what benefit it has to the user.
  - rini17 1y ago
    Then the flood of notifications gets ignored, with practically the same result.
darekkay 1y ago
There are web APIs for both.
- echoangle 1y ago
  Not on iOS. There’s no Bluetooth support in safari.
- JimDabell 1y ago
  “Web Bluetooth” is a Blink-only API that both Mozilla and Apple rejected on security grounds.
  - mdhb 1y ago
    What a weird thing to put in scare quotes.
acdha 1y ago
All modern browsers support notifications: https://caniuse.com/notifications https://caniuse.com/notifications Bluetooth is limited to Chrome because Apple and Mozilla were concerned about privacy and security: https://caniuse.com/web-bluetooth https://caniuse.com/web-bluetooth
merek 1y ago
PWAs offer support for push notifications [1], but apparently they are not as seamless as in native apps, especially on iOS. If you've never heard of PWAs [2], they allow you to add native mobile app functionality to a mobile website, including the ability to install your website as though it were an app, and ability to cache resources for offline use. I haven't worked on app development for a while, but when I did several years ago, all that was required to turn a mobile website in to a PWA was a service worker file (a JS file to define resource caching rules), and a manifest.json file (essentially metadata used by the home screen icon, including title and icon image). Apparently PWAs still aren't on par with native apps in terms of capability and UX. Nonetheless I hope PWAs become popular for their simplicity, and for being decoupled from platforms. It's a bit insane to me that native app development usually requires heavy platform specific IDEs (Android Studio, Xcode), both of which have steep learning curves, and after all that development effort, you only have an app that works on 1 platform. Building a basic mobile app shouldn't require anything more than HTML, JS and CSS, and it shouldn't be tied to any specific platform. 1. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps/Tutorials/js13kGames/Re-engageable_Notifications_Push https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web... 2. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web...
- Arkanum 1y ago
  AIUI Apple has deliberately kneecapped PWAs on iOS to stop them competing with their App Store.
arrowsmith 1y ago
Most apps that "need" to send notifications don't, in fact, need to.
- popol12 1y ago
  Yeah but, what about apps that actually do ?

From what I hear, most users disable notifications. You can do like Airbnb and send text messages. You can do Bluetooth in JavaScript through the Web Bluetooth API.

Sayrus 1y ago
A little caveat of Web Bluetooth API is that it's like WebUSB and mostly available on Chrome. I don't think Chrome for iOS is using blink yet so you'll probably not have access to this API on iOS.
- madeofpalk 1y ago
  Both WebUSB and WebBluetooth is still a draft spec, and is doubtful to progress any further with both Mozilla and Webkit objecting to it https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluetooth https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluetooth https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention/#anti-fingerprinting https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention/#anti-fingerprinting Essentially, these are proprietary that are a part of an embrace, extend, and extinguish strategy by Google Chrome.
thoroughburro 1y ago
> From what I hear, most users disable notifications. Where’d you hear that? Surely most users don’t change defaults.
- acdha 1y ago
  There isn’t a default on iOS, you’re prompted for each new app when it requests notification permissions. People have found that users hit no a lot more when the app prompts with no explanation than when it clearly explains what benefit it has to the user.
- rini17 1y ago
  Then the flood of notifications gets ignored, with practically the same result.

darekkay 1y ago

There are web APIs for both.

echoangle 1y ago
Not on iOS. There’s no Bluetooth support in safari.
JimDabell 1y ago
“Web Bluetooth” is a Blink-only API that both Mozilla and Apple rejected on security grounds.
- mdhb 1y ago
  What a weird thing to put in scare quotes.

acdha 1y ago

All modern browsers support notifications: https://caniuse.com/notifications https://caniuse.com/notifications Bluetooth is limited to Chrome because Apple and Mozilla were concerned about privacy and security: https://caniuse.com/web-bluetooth https://caniuse.com/web-bluetooth

merek 1y ago

PWAs offer support for push notifications [1], but apparently they are not as seamless as in native apps, especially on iOS. If you've never heard of PWAs [2], they allow you to add native mobile app functionality to a mobile website, including the ability to install your website as though it were an app, and ability to cache resources for offline use. I haven't worked on app development for a while, but when I did several years ago, all that was required to turn a mobile website in to a PWA was a service worker file (a JS file to define resource caching rules), and a manifest.json file (essentially metadata used by the home screen icon, including title and icon image). Apparently PWAs still aren't on par with native apps in terms of capability and UX. Nonetheless I hope PWAs become popular for their simplicity, and for being decoupled from platforms. It's a bit insane to me that native app development usually requires heavy platform specific IDEs (Android Studio, Xcode), both of which have steep learning curves, and after all that development effort, you only have an app that works on 1 platform. Building a basic mobile app shouldn't require anything more than HTML, JS and CSS, and it shouldn't be tied to any specific platform. 1. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps/Tutorials/js13kGames/Re-engageable_Notifications_Push https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web... 2. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web...

Arkanum 1y ago
AIUI Apple has deliberately kneecapped PWAs on iOS to stop them competing with their App Store.

arrowsmith 1y ago

Most apps that "need" to send notifications don't, in fact, need to.

popol12 1y ago
Yeah but, what about apps that actually do ?