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I know which company you mean, and I think the RAIB investigation found serious problems with the driver training and the management's approach to safety. One s

I know which company you mean, and I think the RAIB investigation found serious problems with the driver training and the management's approach to safety. One suspects they would also have broken the glass on the MCB if the attitude from above was "we'll give you hell if you're not at the destination on time, but we won't look too closely at how you do it". WCRC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_Railways https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_Railways) got banned from the network as a result until Network Rail was satisfied that the management took safety a bit more seriously. The driver being prosecuted and sentenced in court may also deter future drivers from doing that again, especially if someone can show they're being pressured from above to do anything unsafe again, someone much higger up will be very, very upset with them. Meanwhile in Germany, there was a head-on between two trains with modern safety systems on the train because the _signaller_ was playing games on his phone - I'm not sure if it was actually candy crush - and pressed the "just ignore this red and go at normal speed on to the single line" signal button without following any procedures like checking whether there's a possibility that there's already a train there.

tialaramex 2y ago
I don't understand why there's a button for that. In the UK the trains would be "Cautioned through" this section. "Caution" here being a term of art for an instruction for drivers to operate a train by hand at a speed where they can reasonably brake the train short of any obstacle - this can mean very, very, slowly if you're on a sharply curved or foggy section. I understand the UK is weird because of route knowledge [a German train driver can expect to just operate a train to anywhere in Germany, a British train driver needs to be intimately familiar with any track section to be used for their journey, as a result the signals in the UK don't need to tell you e.g. "Go 50" but instead "The signal after next is red" because the driver knows "that's the signal in New Town, it's uphill from here, so I can do about 50"] But it seems like caution would be possible everywhere.
- nic547 2y ago
  Route knowledge exists in Germany, it's called "Streckenkunde" and under normal circumstances drivers in germany can't just drive anywhere. I think it's a fairly common thing in europe, Switzerland and Austria also require aquisition of route knowledge.
  - tialaramex 2y ago
    Ooh, I did not know that.
- red_admiral 2y ago
  A lot of people wondered at the time why that button exists - I think the answer is something like "it is only pressed by competent and trained professionals after they have followed a number of protocols to make absolutely sure there is nothing on the single line" (at this point I can hear safety and human factors experts crying out in pain). Maybe that protocol involves scratching your head and wondering if you can remember recently signalling or accepting a train in the other direction! There was a time when, whatever buttons or levers you had, nothing goes on the single line until someone has found the token. You wonder whether a digital "TOKEN OUT" light would be possible on the signallers panel. Driving at caution is great when you're looking out for a possible broken rail, tree on the line, or a huge maintenance trolley left behind by an incompetent overnight repair team (this happened not too far back), or when you're expecting a train ahead stopped or going in the same direction. In the German case, you have a train going from A to B correctly going at linespeed under greens, so even if you signal the train from B to A into the section at caution, you're going to have a bad day. Perhaps lower impact velocity/energy, but I still wouldn't fancy the probability of survival under those circumstances. Switzerland does caution if you're instructed to pass a red light, I think Austria does too?

tialaramex 2y ago

I don't understand why there's a button for that. In the UK the trains would be "Cautioned through" this section. "Caution" here being a term of art for an instruction for drivers to operate a train by hand at a speed where they can reasonably brake the train short of any obstacle - this can mean very, very, slowly if you're on a sharply curved or foggy section. I understand the UK is weird because of route knowledge [a German train driver can expect to just operate a train to anywhere in Germany, a British train driver needs to be intimately familiar with any track section to be used for their journey, as a result the signals in the UK don't need to tell you e.g. "Go 50" but instead "The signal after next is red" because the driver knows "that's the signal in New Town, it's uphill from here, so I can do about 50"] But it seems like caution would be possible everywhere.

nic547 2y ago
Route knowledge exists in Germany, it's called "Streckenkunde" and under normal circumstances drivers in germany can't just drive anywhere. I think it's a fairly common thing in europe, Switzerland and Austria also require aquisition of route knowledge.
- tialaramex 2y ago
  Ooh, I did not know that.
red_admiral 2y ago
A lot of people wondered at the time why that button exists - I think the answer is something like "it is only pressed by competent and trained professionals after they have followed a number of protocols to make absolutely sure there is nothing on the single line" (at this point I can hear safety and human factors experts crying out in pain). Maybe that protocol involves scratching your head and wondering if you can remember recently signalling or accepting a train in the other direction! There was a time when, whatever buttons or levers you had, nothing goes on the single line until someone has found the token. You wonder whether a digital "TOKEN OUT" light would be possible on the signallers panel. Driving at caution is great when you're looking out for a possible broken rail, tree on the line, or a huge maintenance trolley left behind by an incompetent overnight repair team (this happened not too far back), or when you're expecting a train ahead stopped or going in the same direction. In the German case, you have a train going from A to B correctly going at linespeed under greens, so even if you signal the train from B to A into the section at caution, you're going to have a bad day. Perhaps lower impact velocity/energy, but I still wouldn't fancy the probability of survival under those circumstances. Switzerland does caution if you're instructed to pass a red light, I think Austria does too?