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> want what they say they want Which is what? Pretty much all leftist state models require strong state, which leaves very little space to privacy. Somebody wh
by smsm42 2y ago
> want what they say they want
Which is what? Pretty much all leftist state models require strong state, which leaves very little space to privacy. Somebody who holds both leftist or collectivist political beliefs and hopes for privacy is contradicting oneself. If they were anarchists or libertarians, that'd be a different business, but it's surprising to find libertarians in The Nation.
- justin66 2y ago> Somebody who holds both leftist or collectivist political beliefs and hopes for privacy is contradicting oneself. I believe that's the core obviously wrong idea we're not going to agree about.
- concerndc1tizen 2y agoIt's important to remember that the communist states were in a cold war with the US, and were being sabotaged from within, so they had to aggressively monitor for internal threats. We don't know what the world would look like if the US hadn't destroyed communism, and hadn't actively supported tyrannical leaders. But in an ironic twist, the US will now be destroyed by the same dark forces they created.
- keybored 2y agoWe do know what happened to socialist projects that weren’t authoritarian. They got crushed by the US and other capitalist states.[1] That all socialist projects that were successful for some time were authoritarian is, well, those were the ones who could survive in that world (in this current world). I think there’s a word for that. :) [1] Capitalist nations violently interfering in other nations is not called authoritarian.