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Show HN: Durable Python Workflows

64 points by itayd 1y ago

pm90 1y ago
> In addition, it is a durable execution platform for long-running and reliable workflows. It is based on Temporal, hiding many of its infrastructure and coding complexities. You only hide it for as long as things go smoothly. When a thing breaks then ur hosed. Having seen people try to self host cadence/temporal (not super easy) this makes me skeptical.
- itayd 1y ago
  In previous life I've been self hosting Cadence and it worked quite well. We then moved to Temporal cloud which was even easier. That said, if you use autokitteh.cloud, you don't need to worry about Temporal as we're doing all that management behind the scenes.
  - pm90 1y ago
    If someone is already using temporal cloud wouldn’t they be able to use oss AK and just point it at their cloud instance?
    - itayd 1y ago
      yup!
- akdor1154 1y ago
  My thoughts as well.. Libraries where the only reason to exist is 'hide this other complex library in the cupboard so you don't have to learn it' almost never achieve that goal, and are generally harmful to net complexity imho.
  - itayd 1y ago
    Hiding is actually not the main thing here. AK allows you to "deploy in a click" instead of deploying the actual workers. We also provide integrations with built in authentication for external services such as Slack, JIRA, etc.
- deleted 1y ago
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- ofrzeta 1y ago
  What is so hard about self-hosting Cadence or Temporal?
  - rrdotspace 1y ago
    so last time i used temporal, it has 3-4 separate "services" that need to be deployed in a cluster configuration (not 1 instance) and then they are dependent on a performant cassandra cluster. its certainly not easy.
    - ofrzeta 1y ago
      I didn't want to question it, because I have no experience with it. So thanks for the info.
itayd 1y ago
Hey, author here. We love durable functions and the ease it provides for building stuff. We provide an OSS as well as SaaS "serverless" platform to easily get started with durable functions using vanilla python. Please take a look as well at https://github.com/autokitteh/kittehub https://github.com/autokitteh/kittehub which is full of examples. Also you can use https://autokitteh.cloud https://autokitteh.cloud for free with some limits.
opiniateddev 1y ago
take a look at https://github.com/conductor-sdk/conductor-python https://github.com/conductor-sdk/conductor-python which is easier and will not force you to write with specific framework.
- oulipo 1y ago
  how does it compare to DBOS?
vivzkestrel 1y ago
I am sorry i dont understand, what exactly does this library do? Is it a competitor to rapidAPI that lets you quickly integrate APIs in your python app
- itayd 1y ago
  hi - this is not a library. this is a platform that you upload vanilla python code to it and it makes it run in a durable manner.
- haim_zla 1y ago
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64 points by itayd 1y ago

pm90 1y ago

> In addition, it is a durable execution platform for long-running and reliable workflows. It is based on Temporal, hiding many of its infrastructure and coding complexities. You only hide it for as long as things go smoothly. When a thing breaks then ur hosed. Having seen people try to self host cadence/temporal (not super easy) this makes me skeptical.

itayd 1y ago
In previous life I've been self hosting Cadence and it worked quite well. We then moved to Temporal cloud which was even easier. That said, if you use autokitteh.cloud, you don't need to worry about Temporal as we're doing all that management behind the scenes.
- pm90 1y ago
  If someone is already using temporal cloud wouldn’t they be able to use oss AK and just point it at their cloud instance?
  - itayd 1y ago
    yup!
akdor1154 1y ago
My thoughts as well.. Libraries where the only reason to exist is 'hide this other complex library in the cupboard so you don't have to learn it' almost never achieve that goal, and are generally harmful to net complexity imho.
- itayd 1y ago
  Hiding is actually not the main thing here. AK allows you to "deploy in a click" instead of deploying the actual workers. We also provide integrations with built in authentication for external services such as Slack, JIRA, etc.
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ofrzeta 1y ago
What is so hard about self-hosting Cadence or Temporal?
- rrdotspace 1y ago
  so last time i used temporal, it has 3-4 separate "services" that need to be deployed in a cluster configuration (not 1 instance) and then they are dependent on a performant cassandra cluster. its certainly not easy.
  - ofrzeta 1y ago
    I didn't want to question it, because I have no experience with it. So thanks for the info.

itayd 1y ago

Hey, author here. We love durable functions and the ease it provides for building stuff. We provide an OSS as well as SaaS "serverless" platform to easily get started with durable functions using vanilla python. Please take a look as well at https://github.com/autokitteh/kittehub https://github.com/autokitteh/kittehub which is full of examples. Also you can use https://autokitteh.cloud https://autokitteh.cloud for free with some limits.

opiniateddev 1y ago

take a look at https://github.com/conductor-sdk/conductor-python https://github.com/conductor-sdk/conductor-python which is easier and will not force you to write with specific framework.

oulipo 1y ago
how does it compare to DBOS?

vivzkestrel 1y ago

I am sorry i dont understand, what exactly does this library do? Is it a competitor to rapidAPI that lets you quickly integrate APIs in your python app

itayd 1y ago
hi - this is not a library. this is a platform that you upload vanilla python code to it and it makes it run in a durable manner.
haim_zla 1y ago
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