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OpenAI would buy Google's Chrome, exec testifies at trial

44 points by gostsamo 2y ago

lysace 2y ago
https://archive.is/LTVOM https://archive.is/LTVOM
- 1317 2y ago
  wrong post?
7bit 2y ago
So instead of ads the new cancer becomes AI
- philipov 2y ago
  It's funny that you phrase that in future tense, and mutually exclusive.
- slurpyb 2y ago
  Advertising might be the only revenue stream that could scale for them. It’s inevitable. A boring dystopia.
airstrike 2y ago
monkey's paw curls
huslage 2y ago
Why is an OpenAI exec testifying at a Google trial? Did I miss something?
- jdale27 2y ago
  OpenAI competes with Google, so obviously the government invited them to testify about how Google is a big bully that has no competition.
- riku_iki 2y ago
  maybe one line of defense is that Chrome is good for society, but no one wants to buy and support it..
- ac29 2y ago
  Turley, a witness for the government, testified earlier in the day that Google shot down a bid by OpenAI to use its search technology within ChatGPT. OpenAI had reached out to Google after experiencing issues with its own search provider, Turley said, without naming the provider. ChatGPT uses technology from Microsoft's search engine, Bing. "We believe having multiple partners, and in particular Google's API, would enable us to provide a better product to users," OpenAI told Google, according to an email shown at trial. OpenAI first reached out in July, and Google declined the request in August, saying it would involve too many competitors, according to the email. "We have no partnership with Google today," Turley said. The DOJ's proposal to make Google share search data with competitors as one means of restoring competition would help accelerate efforts to improve ChatGPT, Turley said.
rvz 2y ago
Anyone but OpenAI. History would repeat itself and we'll be just switching the web from one behemoth (Microsoft IE) to another (Google Chrome) and yet another (OpenAI) [0]. Would be the worst outcome. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145561 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145561
- criticalfault 2y ago
  What about Oracle?
  - stuaxo 2y ago
    If we're playing a game of "worst case" there's always Palantir
9283409232 2y ago
I said in a different thread that if Google was forced to sell Chrome, Elon Musk would buy it to force xAI on everyone. I was in the ballpark apparently as OpenAI is the AI company that would buy it to force ChatGPT on everyone.
dagmx 2y ago
Would OpenAI have the culture to maintain Blink well? They feel like they prefer closing down their ecosystem. More than Chrome, I think the future of Blink as it pertains to Edge etc will be most interesting. Though I suppose Edge could migrate to WebKit if necessary or if they didn’t want to maintain/fork Blink themselves.
AStonesThrow 2y ago
Do they really mean "Chrome" or do they mean "Chromium"? Because the latter is a really important and influential codebase, and the former is a proprietary, branded "distro" of that codebase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differe... So it would be weird if Google sold off Chrome, which specifically belongs to Google, and the main thing that makes Chrome Chrome is that it is Google's Chrome on top of the open-source Chromium codebase. And if Google "owns" Chromium enough to "sell it off" then that new owner will enjoy leverage over even Microsoft themselves, as Edge is also Chromium-based. Not to mention, the Opera browser and many, many mainstream Linux distributions use Chromium directly, so ... that's kind of a big deal!

44 points by gostsamo 2y ago

lysace 2y ago

https://archive.is/LTVOM https://archive.is/LTVOM

1317 2y ago
wrong post?

7bit 2y ago

So instead of ads the new cancer becomes AI

philipov 2y ago
It's funny that you phrase that in future tense, and mutually exclusive.
slurpyb 2y ago
Advertising might be the only revenue stream that could scale for them. It’s inevitable. A boring dystopia.

airstrike 2y ago

monkey's paw curls

huslage 2y ago

Why is an OpenAI exec testifying at a Google trial? Did I miss something?

jdale27 2y ago
OpenAI competes with Google, so obviously the government invited them to testify about how Google is a big bully that has no competition.
riku_iki 2y ago
maybe one line of defense is that Chrome is good for society, but no one wants to buy and support it..
ac29 2y ago
Turley, a witness for the government, testified earlier in the day that Google shot down a bid by OpenAI to use its search technology within ChatGPT. OpenAI had reached out to Google after experiencing issues with its own search provider, Turley said, without naming the provider. ChatGPT uses technology from Microsoft's search engine, Bing. "We believe having multiple partners, and in particular Google's API, would enable us to provide a better product to users," OpenAI told Google, according to an email shown at trial. OpenAI first reached out in July, and Google declined the request in August, saying it would involve too many competitors, according to the email. "We have no partnership with Google today," Turley said. The DOJ's proposal to make Google share search data with competitors as one means of restoring competition would help accelerate efforts to improve ChatGPT, Turley said.

rvz 2y ago

Anyone but OpenAI. History would repeat itself and we'll be just switching the web from one behemoth (Microsoft IE) to another (Google Chrome) and yet another (OpenAI) [0]. Would be the worst outcome. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145561 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145561

criticalfault 2y ago
What about Oracle?
- stuaxo 2y ago
  If we're playing a game of "worst case" there's always Palantir

9283409232 2y ago

I said in a different thread that if Google was forced to sell Chrome, Elon Musk would buy it to force xAI on everyone. I was in the ballpark apparently as OpenAI is the AI company that would buy it to force ChatGPT on everyone.

dagmx 2y ago

Would OpenAI have the culture to maintain Blink well? They feel like they prefer closing down their ecosystem. More than Chrome, I think the future of Blink as it pertains to Edge etc will be most interesting. Though I suppose Edge could migrate to WebKit if necessary or if they didn’t want to maintain/fork Blink themselves.

AStonesThrow 2y ago

Do they really mean "Chrome" or do they mean "Chromium"? Because the latter is a really important and influential codebase, and the former is a proprietary, branded "distro" of that codebase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differe... So it would be weird if Google sold off Chrome, which specifically belongs to Google, and the main thing that makes Chrome Chrome is that it is Google's Chrome on top of the open-source Chromium codebase. And if Google "owns" Chromium enough to "sell it off" then that new owner will enjoy leverage over even Microsoft themselves, as Edge is also Chromium-based. Not to mention, the Opera browser and many, many mainstream Linux distributions use Chromium directly, so ... that's kind of a big deal!