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I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under
by shadowgovt 2y ago
I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist.
How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care?
It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 2y agoGiven the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.
- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 2y agoTimeline-wise, the Palestinians were there long before the Israelis in modern Israel. I don't think forcing them out is a reasonable starting point. At best, that becomes a perpetual shame like the US treatment of native Americans. Personally, I look to Ireland and England as a potential model. People have been conflating Hamas and Gaza in this thread... At the height of the Troubles, more Irish supported the IRA than Palestinians support Hamas, and I don't think anyone ever suggested the solution was to relocate the Irish.
- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- defrost 2y agoThe non consentual sterilization of tens of thousands of Native American women by Americans was completely justified and justifiable? The destruction of language and culture via Indian schools was completely justified and justifiable? That's an opinion I and many others disagree with.
- za3faran 2y agoThe Palestinians in Gaza and the entirety of Palestine trace their roots to 3000+ years ago actually.
- inemesitaffia 2y agoArafat was Egyptian
- za3faran 2y agoWikipedia: Yasser Arafat[a] (4 or 24 August 1929 – 11 November 2004), also popularly known by his kunya Abu Ammar,[b] was a Palestinian political leader
- inemesitaffia 2y agoYasser Arafat was Egyptian. He was born there and his tribe is there. He's as Palestinian as every Turk or Houthi. It's public knowledge. Also Wikipedia is known for it's progressive stance. Can't trust it for anything that intersects with culture war issues where everything is a conspiracy.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoYou can probably trust Wikipedia when it says that Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt to Palestinian parents.
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- inemesitaffia 2y agoArafat was born in Egypt to Egyptian parents. I knew where he was born since before Wales had the idea.
- za3faran 2y agoHe was Palestinian. It's public knowledge. Secondly, let's say he's from Mars, does that maean the rest of the millions of Palestinians are also all Martians? LOL
- za3faran 2y agoSuch organization doesn't exist actually, it's a zionist straw man.
- inemesitaffia 2y agoLol straw man. It's a present reality. Ask the Arabs and Levantine Muslims where all their Jews are. Why Lebanon is Muslim. Why their states are Islamic and why they have issues with religious and cultural states that they aren't a majority of.
- za3faran 2y ago[flagged]
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- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 2y ago> Did the Americans feed the Japanese? I'm sure you don't seriously intend to bring up American treatment of the Japanese in its territory as a positive example. As you are not American, I forgive you your apparent lack of knowledge of the concentration camps, or the theft of property that was never returned to innocent Japanese Americans.
- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- za3faran 2y agoGo watch the many documentaries about Gaza, then tell us it is not brutally oppressed. The fact of the matter is that Palestinians have been treated atrociously for over 75 years now. The West Bank is not much better off either by the way.