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Deepseek Unmasked [pdf]
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- Igrom 1y agoWhat a pointed title. That aside, I am rather surprised that a committee's investigation report is this light on what in my opinion are fundamental details, including the make-up of the committee, the members' respective duties and the course of the investigative process. Notwithstanding the potentially political raison d'etre of the report, is that customary for Congressional committees?
- pmags 1y agoHere's the full membership of the committee: https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/members https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/members
- Igrom 1y agoThe gripe I have with this is that it is 1) an impermanent external resource that shows 2) the current, not the contemporary make-up of the commitee that's 3) subject to change at any time, and thus not a lasting appendix to the report. I guess I had expected more academic rigour from a congressional committee.
- wormlord 1y agoYou have too much faith in US leadership.
- sschueller 1y ago".. siphons data back to the People’s Republic of China (PRC)" How does that work when I run the model myself? Cry me a river, you tried to build a massive moat to force the rest of the world to suck you off for access and now you got caught with your pants down by a model that has been given out for free. I wouldn't want to know how the US would use the discovery of cold fusion or a cure for all to make a profit for its elite instead of giving it out for the greater good.
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- adfm 1y agoYou can say that about any country. Pull the crank hard enough and you could say the same about Liechtenstein.
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- latentcall 1y agoAmerica and Americans by large and “greater good” do not mix well. It’s a very individualist society aka “care about myself” society.
- isusmelj 1y agoAs someone in Europe, I sometimes wonder what’s worse: letting US companies use my data to target ads, or handing it to Chinese companies where I have no clue what’s being done with it. With one I at least get an open source model. The other is a big black box.
- fragmede 1y agoThey're not open source. It's nice of Meta and Deepseek to offer up their models for download, but that doesn't make them open source.
- chvid 1y agoHard to be fully open source if you train on copyrighted material. Anyway. Deepseek is the most open of the sota models.
- MoonGhost 1y agoDid they open their datasets already? Would be nice to have 'thinking' part.
- anonym29 1y agoIsn't this a bit of semantic lawyering? Open model weights are not the same as open source in a literal sense, but I'd go so far as to suggest that open model weights fulfill much of the intent / "soul" of the open source movement. Would you disagree with that notion?
- lxgr 1y ago> open model weights fulfill much of the intent / "soul" of the open source movement Absolutely not. The intent of the open source movement is sharing methods, not just artifacts, and that would require training code and methodology. A binary (and that's arguably what weights are) you can semi-freely download and distribute is just shareware – that's several steps away from actual open source. There's nothing wrong with shareware, but calling it open source, or even just "source available" (i.e. open source with licensing/usage restrictions), when it isn't, is disingenuous.
- ein0p 1y agoWhat's interesting is that most of this is applicable to proprietary US models when used by non-US users, too. "Stores data in the US"? Yes. "Complies with approved narratives"? Check. "Cooperates with intelligence services and the military"? Check. The only real solution here are open weights, and Deepseek is the strongest open-weights model to this day. Don't like it? Compete.
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- qwertytyyuu 1y agoAs a non American, all of these don’t seem to be any worse than US based models?
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- skanga 1y agoLooks like Deepseek is having it's Tiktok moment!
- chvid 1y agoThe Sinophobia going through America is a form of insanity causing America to do enormous harm to itself. From banning open source software to destroying the business of its largest and most profitable companies.
- anonym29 1y agoIt's amusing to see the hypocrisy on display, though. The authors of the report seem to be seriously accusing DeepSeek of IP theft from OpenAI, which was built on... IP theft. LOL.
- ChrisArchitect 1y agoSummary: https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/media/reports/deepseek-unmasked-exposing-ccps-latest-tool-spying-stealing-and-subverting-us-export https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/media/reports/deep...
- comrade1234 1y agoAs long as I can run it on my own cheap hardware I’ll be using it. Our contracts with some of our customers is that their data never leaves our servers.
- qeternity 1y agoA minimum production setup for V3/R1 is 16x H100s…I guess that’s up to you whether that qualifies as cheap.
- orbital-decay 1y agoIn journalism it's called a hit piece, and this one is particularly low-quality. Embarrassing.
- Centigonal 1y agoDang, you really can make anything sound scary if you use the right language! 1. ChatGPT funnels your data to American Intelligence Agencies through backend infrastructure subject to U.S. Government National Security Letters (NSLs) that allow for secret collection of customer data by the US Department of Defense. 2. ChatGPT covertly manipulates the results it presents to align with US propaganda, as a result of the widely disseminated Propaganda Model and close ties between OpenAI's leadership and the US Government. 3. It is highly likely that OpenAI used unlawful model training techniques to create its model, stealing from leading international news sources, academic institutions, and publishing houses. 4. OpenAI’s AI model appears to be powered by advanced chips manufactured by Taiwanese semiconductor giant TSMC and reportedly utilizes tens of thousands of chips that are manufactured by a Trade War adversary of America and subject to a 32% import duty.
- banku_brougham 1y agoYeah the Chinese govt has far less incentive to mess with me personally than the US govt does. Its hard to convince people of this point of view I have found.
- mrkramer 1y agoEverybody is spying on everybody, it's free for all....if you want to be out of the reach, either stop using software for sensitive information and communication or start using fully encrypted products. Cryptography is the key.
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- latentcall 1y agoSinophobic junk. You got shown up by a free and open model and wasted a gazillion dollars, good job. So yes let’s ban the competition and force Americans to use the junky ad riddled cheap clones.
- anarticle 1y agoGet your models before they're gone: https://huggingface.co/collections/deepseek-ai/deepseek-r1-678e1e131c0169c0bc89728d https://huggingface.co/collections/deepseek-ai/deepseek-r1-6...
- beams_of_light 1y agoIt's interesting that they call out NVIDIA specifically as an enabler. MAGA going to war against NVIDIA now?
- hdjjhhvvhga 1y agoIt's shocking how much American soft power diminished in such a short period. White House documents used to mean something, had a certain weigh, whereas now some of them are simply ridiculous. This one in particular is not particularly bad even. Although we know who inspired it and that, given the fact that DeepSeek made their models available and OpenAI didn't, whatever is written should be taken with more than one grain of salt.
- Havoc 1y agoWohoo. Better token throughput for europeans...
- somerandomness 1y agoIt's important to distinguish the DeepSeek App from the open-weight models, which are released under very liberal licenses, and you have full control of where data fed to the model goes, e.g. stays in the USA.
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