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How many American houses are built in China? How much American rice is grown in China? How much American lumber is chopped in China? How much American electrici

How many American houses are built in China? How much American rice is grown in China? How much American lumber is chopped in China? How much American electricity is produced in China?

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andsoitis 2y ago
Since the tariffs target the whole world, my responses look at imports rather than constraining to China. > How many American houses are built in China? Roughly 30% of the softwood lumber consumed in the US is imported, and Canada accounts for over 80% of those imports. Other key suppliers include China, Brazil, and Mexico. And that’s just lumber. The US now imports 1.5 million metric tons of rice. See trend: https://www.statista.com/statistics/806643/us-rice-import-volume/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/806643/us-rice-import-vo... > How much American electricity is produced in China? Generating and distributing electricity requires equipment. More expensive (or hard to acquire) equipment means more expensive energy, affecting just about everything.
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  Also: some US electricity actually is produced in Canada. One option that seemed to be seriously considered early in this whole dust-up was Canada cutting off electricity supplied to the US. It would've caused chaos in the Northeast. I think they only pulled back from doing that because it probably would have fairly-directly killed quite a few people.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  That begs the question why electricity is cheaper in many countries which have the highest tariffs in the world? My original questions were of course rhetorical, shining a light on the matter that neither the US nor any country in the world lives only on imported goods. Since the economy, trade, and production is completely interconnected in a modern, industrialized world, then any changes in policy will have widespread effects. Including good effects.
bloomingeek 2y ago
Maybe your MAGA hat's brim is pulled down too low? There's a real, beautiful world out there if you're willing to see it. Knowledge is a good first step to beauty!
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  You added nothing to the discussion. Your mental state is that you are a member of a mob who are out to squash anybody who thinks differently, and that gives you an illusion of having power. But in reality you don't know any of the people here, and the only power we have as commenters online is to exchange thoughts and ideas. As for the real world, there is a large variety of tariff policies around the world, and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. There are many very good arguments for tariffs and against tariffs, let's talk about them instead?
  - alabastervlog 2y ago
    > and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. Which ones?
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - alabastervlog 2y ago
        OK, so you're just a troll. Noted.
      - thunderfork 2y ago
        [dead]
  - mindslight 2y ago
    > As for the real world, there is a large variety of tariff policies around the world, and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. There are many very good arguments for tariffs and against tariffs, let's talk about them instead? Sorry, no. This is a common Trumpist talking point that has validated the comment you're responding to. Every aspect of the US economy is currently wholly reliant on imports. Untangling would certainly be possible, but would require an intelligent fine-grained approach with deliberate analysis and substitution - not ham-fisted blanket import taxes. There is absolutely no sense to any of Trump's actual policies, nor the manner in which they're haphazardly announced and then constantly churned, unless the goal is simply to harm our country. Debating and critiquing as if these might be good faith attempts at helping our country is a waste of energy that needs to be used more productively. Trumpism/destructionism thrives on our desire for rational debate, because while we debate how to build they just destroy. At this point, regardless of your political persuasion (I'm libertarian), it's time to stop drinking the Kool-aid and wake up to the fact we have a malevolent attacker in the White House. We can go back to debating the finer points of policy after we have an administration that actually puts the interests of the United States first.
mindslight 2y ago
The right question is how significantly those things rely on equipment and supplies produced in China, and the answer is all of them very much do.
knowitnone 2y ago
Are you going to make a point or just ask questions?
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  The point is that not everything is imported. You can import oil but you can't import an oilfield. You can import food but you can't import the ground.
  - theamk 2y ago
    That oilfield is pretty useless without drilling equipment. And ground is useless without seeds, fertilizers, farm equipment and spare parts.

How many American houses are built in China? How much American rice is grown in China? How much American lumber is chopped in China? How much American electricity is produced in China?

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andsoitis 2y ago

Since the tariffs target the whole world, my responses look at imports rather than constraining to China. > How many American houses are built in China? Roughly 30% of the softwood lumber consumed in the US is imported, and Canada accounts for over 80% of those imports. Other key suppliers include China, Brazil, and Mexico. And that’s just lumber. The US now imports 1.5 million metric tons of rice. See trend: https://www.statista.com/statistics/806643/us-rice-import-volume/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/806643/us-rice-import-vo... > How much American electricity is produced in China? Generating and distributing electricity requires equipment. More expensive (or hard to acquire) equipment means more expensive energy, affecting just about everything.

alabastervlog 2y ago
Also: some US electricity actually is produced in Canada. One option that seemed to be seriously considered early in this whole dust-up was Canada cutting off electricity supplied to the US. It would've caused chaos in the Northeast. I think they only pulled back from doing that because it probably would have fairly-directly killed quite a few people.
carlosjobim 2y ago
That begs the question why electricity is cheaper in many countries which have the highest tariffs in the world? My original questions were of course rhetorical, shining a light on the matter that neither the US nor any country in the world lives only on imported goods. Since the economy, trade, and production is completely interconnected in a modern, industrialized world, then any changes in policy will have widespread effects. Including good effects.

bloomingeek 2y ago

Maybe your MAGA hat's brim is pulled down too low? There's a real, beautiful world out there if you're willing to see it. Knowledge is a good first step to beauty!

carlosjobim 2y ago
You added nothing to the discussion. Your mental state is that you are a member of a mob who are out to squash anybody who thinks differently, and that gives you an illusion of having power. But in reality you don't know any of the people here, and the only power we have as commenters online is to exchange thoughts and ideas. As for the real world, there is a large variety of tariff policies around the world, and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. There are many very good arguments for tariffs and against tariffs, let's talk about them instead?
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  > and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. Which ones?
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - alabastervlog 2y ago
      OK, so you're just a troll. Noted.
    - thunderfork 2y ago
      [dead]
- mindslight 2y ago
  > As for the real world, there is a large variety of tariff policies around the world, and most countries implement much harsher tariffs than what Mr Trump is suggesting for America. There are many very good arguments for tariffs and against tariffs, let's talk about them instead? Sorry, no. This is a common Trumpist talking point that has validated the comment you're responding to. Every aspect of the US economy is currently wholly reliant on imports. Untangling would certainly be possible, but would require an intelligent fine-grained approach with deliberate analysis and substitution - not ham-fisted blanket import taxes. There is absolutely no sense to any of Trump's actual policies, nor the manner in which they're haphazardly announced and then constantly churned, unless the goal is simply to harm our country. Debating and critiquing as if these might be good faith attempts at helping our country is a waste of energy that needs to be used more productively. Trumpism/destructionism thrives on our desire for rational debate, because while we debate how to build they just destroy. At this point, regardless of your political persuasion (I'm libertarian), it's time to stop drinking the Kool-aid and wake up to the fact we have a malevolent attacker in the White House. We can go back to debating the finer points of policy after we have an administration that actually puts the interests of the United States first.

mindslight 2y ago

The right question is how significantly those things rely on equipment and supplies produced in China, and the answer is all of them very much do.

knowitnone 2y ago

Are you going to make a point or just ask questions?

carlosjobim 2y ago
The point is that not everything is imported. You can import oil but you can't import an oilfield. You can import food but you can't import the ground.
- theamk 2y ago
  That oilfield is pretty useless without drilling equipment. And ground is useless without seeds, fertilizers, farm equipment and spare parts.