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> One day I was late for a party and everyone was high when I arrived and I realized that I simply can't stand them because everything they said was the lowest

> One day I was late for a party and everyone was high when I arrived and I realized that I simply can't stand them because everything they said was the lowest IQ stuff I ever heard and they were pretending that its creative. And that never happened with alcohol?

mrtksn 2y ago
It happens when someone is very drunk. People socializing with alcohol are still a nice company to people who don't drink. The nice thing about alcohol is the dynamic range of its effects. The bad stuff start after the "tipsy" stage and even after that there's quite a bit of way to go until things become a problem.
- sceptic123 2y ago
  I would be surprised if the people who don't drink agreed with you here. And let's make sure we ignore the links between alcohol use and violence here too.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    Definitely don't abuse alcohol, that's very bad for you and the society. Learn how to drink properly
    - apercu 2y ago
      >Learn how to drink properly ~10% of the population simply cannot. I'd argue it's a lot higher of a percentage in places like here in Wisconsin.
    - sceptic123 2y ago
      Why doesn't that same thing apply to recreational drug use? And the argument for legalisation is that it makes that use much safer.
      - mrtksn 2y ago
        I agree, maybe its possible to create a healthy weed culture. I've never seen one but maybe in some places they figured it out. Alcohol is similar, in some cultures the dominant drinking culture is very damaging one.
        Teever 2y ago
        Can you expand on this comment? When you say that you've never seen one do you mean that you've seen many weed cultures but never a healthy one? What makes the ones that you've seen unhealthy?
  - jdietrich 2y ago
    As a teetotaller, I'd say that the tipping point is usually around the third drink. I don't know about US drinking culture, but here in the UK that really isn't a lot. Beyond that point, people rapidly lose the ability to have a conversation and slide into a kind of output-only mode. There's a certain charm to that kind of free association, but as a sober person you're more of an audience member than a participant. I think anyone who works in hospitality can vouch for the fact that most drinkers become obviously cognitively impaired much sooner than they realise. Stoned people might be lethargic and dull, but at least they're more reliably amiable than drunk people. Some people start becoming nasty after only a couple drinks - no fists being thrown, just casually cruel things that they'd never dream of saying while sober, trivial disagreements escalated into petty and personal shouting matches. You don't have to be particularly intoxicated to start saying things that your sober self would be utterly ashamed of; your saving grace is the fact that most of the people around you aren't really parsing or retaining what you're saying.
    - seec 1y ago
      I relate to this experience (not teetotaler but slow starter/drinker and I watch my consumption). I especially relate to the petty/cruel observations, particularly in the context of big family meals/events. I think it's one of the reason people "like" alcohol, it gives them both the courage and an excuse to say whatever they want/feel. But you seem to be making excuses/explanation for this, I don't agree, what people become under the influence of alcohol is who they truly are, without the mask and restraints. If someone becomes petty/cruel/violent or whatever, you just learned that they cannot be trusted and are a bad person, no needs to explain away with alcohol influence. In general, drugs amplify or make obvious who peoples are, they don't radically change them contrary to what some like to pretend.
      - fooList 1y ago
        Is that really true? I observe that certain drugs impact all personalities in similar ways, like cocaine making people paranoid. If you have homeless near you like most California, you spot opioid or meth drug behaviors instantly because they’re quite distinct. Alcohol does impair judgement, which predictably means less self monitoring and that may explain what you’ve noticed, that jerks get jerkier while nice guys may just get nicer on alcohol.
- cassepipe 2y ago
  Actually, weed can be light too. I am always surprised at the doses people who smoke weed get into their head. I personally not a big fan of the effects but a light touch can be very nice, especially for activities that don't mobilize such as sex or watching a movie.
lostmsu 2y ago
I personally thought he was sarcastic.
herculity275 2y ago
Having had my share of experiences in my 20s going out sober with both drunk and stoned friends I can attest that tipsy people are usually a lot more coherent than the comparably stoned ones.
- sceptic123 2y ago
  What's comparable to tipsy for marijuana though? Seems like the relative strengths of the two drugs are being compared here rather than the effects on personality.
- darthrupert 2y ago
  Unless the people who are "tipsy" from weed tell it to you, you will never be able to detect it.
apercu 2y ago
Your user name was very relevant for that comment. Lol.
jeffbee 2y ago
People who are drunk say things that are dumb. People who are stoned say things that are dumb, and believe their dumb thoughts are profound. One of these behaviors is a lot more irritating than the other.

mrtksn 2y ago

It happens when someone is very drunk. People socializing with alcohol are still a nice company to people who don't drink. The nice thing about alcohol is the dynamic range of its effects. The bad stuff start after the "tipsy" stage and even after that there's quite a bit of way to go until things become a problem.

sceptic123 2y ago
I would be surprised if the people who don't drink agreed with you here. And let's make sure we ignore the links between alcohol use and violence here too.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  Definitely don't abuse alcohol, that's very bad for you and the society. Learn how to drink properly
  - apercu 2y ago
    >Learn how to drink properly ~10% of the population simply cannot. I'd argue it's a lot higher of a percentage in places like here in Wisconsin.
  - sceptic123 2y ago
    Why doesn't that same thing apply to recreational drug use? And the argument for legalisation is that it makes that use much safer.
    - mrtksn 2y ago
      I agree, maybe its possible to create a healthy weed culture. I've never seen one but maybe in some places they figured it out. Alcohol is similar, in some cultures the dominant drinking culture is very damaging one.
      - Teever 2y ago
        Can you expand on this comment? When you say that you've never seen one do you mean that you've seen many weed cultures but never a healthy one? What makes the ones that you've seen unhealthy?
- jdietrich 2y ago
  As a teetotaller, I'd say that the tipping point is usually around the third drink. I don't know about US drinking culture, but here in the UK that really isn't a lot. Beyond that point, people rapidly lose the ability to have a conversation and slide into a kind of output-only mode. There's a certain charm to that kind of free association, but as a sober person you're more of an audience member than a participant. I think anyone who works in hospitality can vouch for the fact that most drinkers become obviously cognitively impaired much sooner than they realise. Stoned people might be lethargic and dull, but at least they're more reliably amiable than drunk people. Some people start becoming nasty after only a couple drinks - no fists being thrown, just casually cruel things that they'd never dream of saying while sober, trivial disagreements escalated into petty and personal shouting matches. You don't have to be particularly intoxicated to start saying things that your sober self would be utterly ashamed of; your saving grace is the fact that most of the people around you aren't really parsing or retaining what you're saying.
  - seec 1y ago
    I relate to this experience (not teetotaler but slow starter/drinker and I watch my consumption). I especially relate to the petty/cruel observations, particularly in the context of big family meals/events. I think it's one of the reason people "like" alcohol, it gives them both the courage and an excuse to say whatever they want/feel. But you seem to be making excuses/explanation for this, I don't agree, what people become under the influence of alcohol is who they truly are, without the mask and restraints. If someone becomes petty/cruel/violent or whatever, you just learned that they cannot be trusted and are a bad person, no needs to explain away with alcohol influence. In general, drugs amplify or make obvious who peoples are, they don't radically change them contrary to what some like to pretend.
    - fooList 1y ago
      Is that really true? I observe that certain drugs impact all personalities in similar ways, like cocaine making people paranoid. If you have homeless near you like most California, you spot opioid or meth drug behaviors instantly because they’re quite distinct. Alcohol does impair judgement, which predictably means less self monitoring and that may explain what you’ve noticed, that jerks get jerkier while nice guys may just get nicer on alcohol.
cassepipe 2y ago
Actually, weed can be light too. I am always surprised at the doses people who smoke weed get into their head. I personally not a big fan of the effects but a light touch can be very nice, especially for activities that don't mobilize such as sex or watching a movie.

lostmsu 2y ago

I personally thought he was sarcastic.

herculity275 2y ago

Having had my share of experiences in my 20s going out sober with both drunk and stoned friends I can attest that tipsy people are usually a lot more coherent than the comparably stoned ones.

sceptic123 2y ago
What's comparable to tipsy for marijuana though? Seems like the relative strengths of the two drugs are being compared here rather than the effects on personality.
darthrupert 2y ago
Unless the people who are "tipsy" from weed tell it to you, you will never be able to detect it.

apercu 2y ago

Your user name was very relevant for that comment. Lol.

jeffbee 2y ago

People who are drunk say things that are dumb. People who are stoned say things that are dumb, and believe their dumb thoughts are profound. One of these behaviors is a lot more irritating than the other.