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Nevertheless, he is worth defending. There's more at stake than just the man. The things they do to Dotcom are indicative of the current involvement of US polit

by iwwr 14y ago

Nevertheless, he is worth defending. There's more at stake than just the man. The things they do to Dotcom are indicative of the current involvement of US politics with the IP lobby. This relationship is having repercussions all over the world. Faced with a failing business model, IP companies are investing their ever-scarce capital into political rent-seeking, the consequences of which would be the destruction of privacy and creative freedom.

jlgreco 14y ago
A million times this. Furthermore, we must not forget that even the "guiltiest" and scummiest men deserve the full protections the law affords. Shortcuts around due process cannot be justified by saying, correctly or not, "This guy is a total sleeze and guilty as hell".
- res0nat0r 14y ago
  Please stop saying a million times this... Also due process was followed as far as I know. Read the indictment. There was enough evidence to have his assets seized just like any other business if there is enough evidence to believe there are ongoing illegal activities. And yes the NZ government did agree to this also, otherwise his arrest in NZ wouldn't have happened.
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Apollogies for using that phrase. I did not know it had the power to offend. The issue specifically is the apparently illegal search warrant/raid. Well, actually to be honest that by itself does not particularly disturb me, mistakes are always made. The issue is the number of people I see on HNs dismissing what they see as technicalities because they know he is guilty. The justice system is designed to afford protections to the obviously guilty because without that, it is no different than mob justice.
  - kaffiene 14y ago
    No, the NZ judge ruled that the search and seizure of DC's assets was illegal.
  - lancewiggs 14y ago
    Due process was not followed here in NZ, and that's what the real issue is here. (and court proceedings) Dotcom was not originally an appealing victim, but our overdeveloped sense of fairness here in NZ was always going to help his cause, and he has increasingly shown himself to be largely authentic. An authentic rogue that is - nobody is pretending that he isn't flawed or doesn't have a chequered history.
retr0rocket 14y ago
seriously? ghandi slept with kids and wanted jews to die in peace, mlk was a serial philanderer and plagerist, mother Teresa forced religion on people. we dont back people like kim dotcom because of who they are, we back them because of the idea and change they stand for. if you cant see that then I'm just going to start assuming you guys are paid shills to sway public opinion.

by iwwr 14y ago

jlgreco 14y ago

A million times this. Furthermore, we must not forget that even the "guiltiest" and scummiest men deserve the full protections the law affords. Shortcuts around due process cannot be justified by saying, correctly or not, "This guy is a total sleeze and guilty as hell".

res0nat0r 14y ago
Please stop saying a million times this... Also due process was followed as far as I know. Read the indictment. There was enough evidence to have his assets seized just like any other business if there is enough evidence to believe there are ongoing illegal activities. And yes the NZ government did agree to this also, otherwise his arrest in NZ wouldn't have happened.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Apollogies for using that phrase. I did not know it had the power to offend. The issue specifically is the apparently illegal search warrant/raid. Well, actually to be honest that by itself does not particularly disturb me, mistakes are always made. The issue is the number of people I see on HNs dismissing what they see as technicalities because they know he is guilty. The justice system is designed to afford protections to the obviously guilty because without that, it is no different than mob justice.
- kaffiene 14y ago
  No, the NZ judge ruled that the search and seizure of DC's assets was illegal.
- lancewiggs 14y ago
  Due process was not followed here in NZ, and that's what the real issue is here. (and court proceedings) Dotcom was not originally an appealing victim, but our overdeveloped sense of fairness here in NZ was always going to help his cause, and he has increasingly shown himself to be largely authentic. An authentic rogue that is - nobody is pretending that he isn't flawed or doesn't have a chequered history.

retr0rocket 14y ago

seriously? ghandi slept with kids and wanted jews to die in peace, mlk was a serial philanderer and plagerist, mother Teresa forced religion on people. we dont back people like kim dotcom because of who they are, we back them because of the idea and change they stand for. if you cant see that then I'm just going to start assuming you guys are paid shills to sway public opinion.