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Uh Linux is a grassroots project, quite unlike Berkley Software Distribution. Also no you are entirely unaffected by this unless you use a very specific and un

by varjag 2y ago

Uh Linux is a grassroots project, quite unlike Berkley Software Distribution. Also no you are entirely unaffected by this unless you use a very specific and uncommon syscall.

Gud 2y ago
Linux has been a corporate project for at least 20 years.
- varjag 2y ago
  That roots part in grassroots means something.
  - Gud 2y ago
    Yes, but I don't think it means what you think it means? Just because Linux was developed by basement dwelling hackers 20+ years ago, doesn't make it a grassroots project. Arguably, the only somewhat mainstream operating systems today that deserve that label are the *BSDs. Haiku OS gets an honorable mention but I wouldn't consider Haiku OS to be mainstream.
    - varjag 2y ago
      It quite literally makes it a grassroots project. > Arguably, the only somewhat mainstream operating systems today that deserve that label are the *BSDs. I think the word you're looking for is 'sidelined'.
      - wkat4242 2y ago
        Meh not really. I'm running BSD with the very latest software. KDE, Firefox, Chrome, LibreOffice. All rolling unlike most Linux distros. I really don't care how 'big' my OS is. But yeah grassroots was perhaps not the right term. I meant the status quo, not the origin. I don't know what the right word is then though.
wkat4242 2y ago
It was originally, yes. There's a lot of corporate influence now (just look at the monthly kernel submissions). https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ Like others have mentioned, it's just a huge deal in the data center now. With that comes a lot of influence by corporates interests. Whereas BSD has gone the opposite way. Started by Berkeley but abandoned to the community. Business is not really interested in that because anything they contribute can be used by anyone for anything (even their competitors can use it in closed source code). Netflix was the biggest user but I don't think they contribute anymore either. WhatsApp used it until Facebook acquired them. That leaves netgate and ix systems which are small. Netgate pushed a really terrible wireguard once but it was nipped in the bud luckily. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-license-violations-and-bad-code-freebsd-13s-close-call/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-lice... It also highlighted many trust issues which have been improved since. Of course whether this is an issue for you is very personal. For me it is but clearly for a lot more people it isn't, as Linux is s lot more popular.
- varjag 2y ago
  No it's not an issue to me, just pointed out a factual mistake.

by varjag 2y ago

Uh Linux is a grassroots project, quite unlike Berkley Software Distribution. Also no you are entirely unaffected by this unless you use a very specific and uncommon syscall.

Gud 2y ago

Linux has been a corporate project for at least 20 years.

varjag 2y ago
That roots part in grassroots means something.
- Gud 2y ago
  Yes, but I don't think it means what you think it means? Just because Linux was developed by basement dwelling hackers 20+ years ago, doesn't make it a grassroots project. Arguably, the only somewhat mainstream operating systems today that deserve that label are the *BSDs. Haiku OS gets an honorable mention but I wouldn't consider Haiku OS to be mainstream.
  - varjag 2y ago
    It quite literally makes it a grassroots project. > Arguably, the only somewhat mainstream operating systems today that deserve that label are the *BSDs. I think the word you're looking for is 'sidelined'.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Meh not really. I'm running BSD with the very latest software. KDE, Firefox, Chrome, LibreOffice. All rolling unlike most Linux distros. I really don't care how 'big' my OS is. But yeah grassroots was perhaps not the right term. I meant the status quo, not the origin. I don't know what the right word is then though.

wkat4242 2y ago

It was originally, yes. There's a lot of corporate influence now (just look at the monthly kernel submissions). https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ Like others have mentioned, it's just a huge deal in the data center now. With that comes a lot of influence by corporates interests. Whereas BSD has gone the opposite way. Started by Berkeley but abandoned to the community. Business is not really interested in that because anything they contribute can be used by anyone for anything (even their competitors can use it in closed source code). Netflix was the biggest user but I don't think they contribute anymore either. WhatsApp used it until Facebook acquired them. That leaves netgate and ix systems which are small. Netgate pushed a really terrible wireguard once but it was nipped in the bud luckily. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-license-violations-and-bad-code-freebsd-13s-close-call/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-lice... It also highlighted many trust issues which have been improved since. Of course whether this is an issue for you is very personal. For me it is but clearly for a lot more people it isn't, as Linux is s lot more popular.

varjag 2y ago
No it's not an issue to me, just pointed out a factual mistake.