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If you want Ubuntu but without all the crap that Canonical adds, that's literally Debian

by RadiozRadioz 2y ago

mixmastamyk 2y ago
Mint is good too, you get a lot of niceties without snap noise.
pseudalopex 2y ago
Debian's release cycle is 2 years. Fedora's is 6 months.
- RadiozRadioz 2y ago
  Fedora is not related to Debian or Ubuntu, so is not a true replacement. PS I hear this release cycle thing quite a bit, what's the benefit? What software are you using that requires bleeding edge packages that can't be containerized?
  - everdrive 2y ago
    For me, it's gaming which means updated Wayland and Nvidia drivers. I'm sure there are ways to do this with Debian, but I just went with Fedora to test it out, and I've liked it enough to keep it. I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      > I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu. Was it missing updates, or was it just the ESR (LTS) version that only gets security (and maybe bug) fixes but is still maintained?
      - everdrive 2y ago
        It was probably more than a decade ago, so I really can't say. I'm sure if I'd put time into, I could have resolved my issues.
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    Fedora was the truest replacement they found. Debian unstable is bleeding edge. Tested snapshots of Debian testing are not. Containers have many of snaps' inconveniences and some of their own. And desktop environment and virtual machine software releases have often bug fixes and improvements I don't want to wait for 12 or 18 months longer.
- senko 2y ago
  I run Debian stable on my desktop and haven't really noticed any downside to it being a bit stale. For the core system I don't mind not having the latest version, and for the apps like 1Password, Tailscale, Firefox, Zed, VSCode, Ollama, Obsidian, Slack or Spotify (to name a few I use), I install them from upstream repo (or unpack into /opt) directly. The only real constraint is kernel version, which may not have the drivers for the latest and greatest hardware, so new laptops might be a problem. I do use a snapless Ubuntu for that very reason on my laptop.
znpy 2y ago
I dropped Ubuntu for Debian, then dropped Debian for Fedora and now I'm frankly very very happy. Ubuntu had hit the proverbial last straw for me when they started shipping even the dumbest things as snap: the fu--ing calculator. Opening the calculator (a 250kb binary) took 10-15 seconds because snap had to download the images, mount layers etc. I never hated a linux distro so much. Debian was fine but very stale, and a lot of things i use every day were broken or non functional. Particularly Firefox and bluetooth stuff. Fedora... It's just great. Software is fresh but very stable. Anything bluetooth works. Whole distro-upgrades don't break my system. Updating Ubuntu basically always meant reinstalling everything. At some point i was going LTS to LTS. I'm not going back to Debian/Ubuntu.

If you want Ubuntu but without all the crap that Canonical adds, that's literally Debian

mixmastamyk 2y ago

Mint is good too, you get a lot of niceties without snap noise.

pseudalopex 2y ago

Debian's release cycle is 2 years. Fedora's is 6 months.

RadiozRadioz 2y ago
Fedora is not related to Debian or Ubuntu, so is not a true replacement. PS I hear this release cycle thing quite a bit, what's the benefit? What software are you using that requires bleeding edge packages that can't be containerized?
- everdrive 2y ago
  For me, it's gaming which means updated Wayland and Nvidia drivers. I'm sure there are ways to do this with Debian, but I just went with Fedora to test it out, and I've liked it enough to keep it. I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu. Was it missing updates, or was it just the ESR (LTS) version that only gets security (and maybe bug) fixes but is still maintained?
    - everdrive 2y ago
      It was probably more than a decade ago, so I really can't say. I'm sure if I'd put time into, I could have resolved my issues.
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  Fedora was the truest replacement they found. Debian unstable is bleeding edge. Tested snapshots of Debian testing are not. Containers have many of snaps' inconveniences and some of their own. And desktop environment and virtual machine software releases have often bug fixes and improvements I don't want to wait for 12 or 18 months longer.
senko 2y ago
I run Debian stable on my desktop and haven't really noticed any downside to it being a bit stale. For the core system I don't mind not having the latest version, and for the apps like 1Password, Tailscale, Firefox, Zed, VSCode, Ollama, Obsidian, Slack or Spotify (to name a few I use), I install them from upstream repo (or unpack into /opt) directly. The only real constraint is kernel version, which may not have the drivers for the latest and greatest hardware, so new laptops might be a problem. I do use a snapless Ubuntu for that very reason on my laptop.

znpy 2y ago

I dropped Ubuntu for Debian, then dropped Debian for Fedora and now I'm frankly very very happy. Ubuntu had hit the proverbial last straw for me when they started shipping even the dumbest things as snap: the fu--ing calculator. Opening the calculator (a 250kb binary) took 10-15 seconds because snap had to download the images, mount layers etc. I never hated a linux distro so much. Debian was fine but very stale, and a lot of things i use every day were broken or non functional. Particularly Firefox and bluetooth stuff. Fedora... It's just great. Software is fresh but very stable. Anything bluetooth works. Whole distro-upgrades don't break my system. Updating Ubuntu basically always meant reinstalling everything. At some point i was going LTS to LTS. I'm not going back to Debian/Ubuntu.