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Israel hasn't occupied Gaza for 20 years.

CobrastanJorji 1y ago
Well yes, but that's because once Israel occupies it, it isn't Gaza anymore. Now it's a "Security Zone." Something like half of Gaza is "Security Zone" now: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-israel-military https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-i...
za3faran 1y ago
They literally control the air, water, electricity, food, internet, everything. They are literally mass starving the Gazans as we speak.
- milesrout 1y ago
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  - za3faran 1y ago
    israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.
      - inemesitaffia 1y ago
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        shadowgovt 1y ago
        Given the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.
        milesrout 1y ago
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        shadowgovt 1y ago
        Timeline-wise, the Palestinians were there long before the Israelis in modern Israel. I don't think forcing them out is a reasonable starting point. At best, that becomes a perpetual shame like the US treatment of native Americans. Personally, I look to Ireland and England as a potential model. People have been conflating Hamas and Gaza in this thread... At the height of the Troubles, more Irish supported the IRA than Palestinians support Hamas, and I don't think anyone ever suggested the solution was to relocate the Irish.
        milesrout 1y ago
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        defrost 1y ago
        The non consentual sterilization of tens of thousands of Native American women by Americans was completely justified and justifiable? The destruction of language and culture via Indian schools was completely justified and justifiable? That's an opinion I and many others disagree with.
    - FunnyUsername 1y ago
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      - za3faran 1y ago
        I personally know such jews actually. We salute anyone standing against oppression of the Palestinians from the brutality they have been facing for over 75 years now.
        milesrout 1y ago
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        za3faran 1y ago
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      - shadowgovt 1y ago
        That's not really been the standard the world holds itself to since World War II. Yes, aggressors in a just war are expected to care for the civilian population in conquered territory. Starvation as a war weapon against civilians is a war crime. https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-2019-031.pdf https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-... In fact, the only place it's currently legal (though generally frowned upon) is in the context of a civil war, and if this is a civil war we're back to asking the question: how does Israel expect to find peace when 9 million citizens are oppressing 5 million with brutal military violence?
        milesrout 1y ago
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        shadowgovt 1y ago
        Gaza isn't a separate country, the Palestinians are still Israelis in terms of international responsibility and national membership, seeing as how Palestine is not a recognized independent nation. How do we know this? Because Israel isn't under sanction for the activities they are undertaking that would be considered war crimes if done to another nation. It is a long-standing civil war that a couple generations of national leadership have failed to find a long-term resolution to. The current resolution of trying to ghetto the Palestinian people into controlled territories ("reservations," if you will, a common strategy used by colonizers to "handle" the native population) doesn't seem to be bearing fruit other than intergenerational violence.

Well yes, but that's because once Israel occupies it, it isn't Gaza anymore. Now it's a "Security Zone." Something like half of Gaza is "Security Zone" now: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-israel-military https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-i...

za3faran 1y ago

They literally control the air, water, electricity, food, internet, everything. They are literally mass starving the Gazans as we speak.

milesrout 1y ago
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- za3faran 1y ago
  israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.
    - inemesitaffia 1y ago
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      - shadowgovt 1y ago
        Given the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.
        milesrout 1y ago
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        shadowgovt 1y ago
        Timeline-wise, the Palestinians were there long before the Israelis in modern Israel. I don't think forcing them out is a reasonable starting point. At best, that becomes a perpetual shame like the US treatment of native Americans. Personally, I look to Ireland and England as a potential model. People have been conflating Hamas and Gaza in this thread... At the height of the Troubles, more Irish supported the IRA than Palestinians support Hamas, and I don't think anyone ever suggested the solution was to relocate the Irish.
        milesrout 1y ago
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        defrost 1y ago
        The non consentual sterilization of tens of thousands of Native American women by Americans was completely justified and justifiable? The destruction of language and culture via Indian schools was completely justified and justifiable? That's an opinion I and many others disagree with.
  - FunnyUsername 1y ago
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    - za3faran 1y ago
      I personally know such jews actually. We salute anyone standing against oppression of the Palestinians from the brutality they have been facing for over 75 years now.
      - milesrout 1y ago
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        za3faran 1y ago
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  - milesrout 1y ago
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    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      That's not really been the standard the world holds itself to since World War II. Yes, aggressors in a just war are expected to care for the civilian population in conquered territory. Starvation as a war weapon against civilians is a war crime. https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-2019-031.pdf https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-... In fact, the only place it's currently legal (though generally frowned upon) is in the context of a civil war, and if this is a civil war we're back to asking the question: how does Israel expect to find peace when 9 million citizens are oppressing 5 million with brutal military violence?
      - milesrout 1y ago
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        shadowgovt 1y ago
        Gaza isn't a separate country, the Palestinians are still Israelis in terms of international responsibility and national membership, seeing as how Palestine is not a recognized independent nation. How do we know this? Because Israel isn't under sanction for the activities they are undertaking that would be considered war crimes if done to another nation. It is a long-standing civil war that a couple generations of national leadership have failed to find a long-term resolution to. The current resolution of trying to ghetto the Palestinian people into controlled territories ("reservations," if you will, a common strategy used by colonizers to "handle" the native population) doesn't seem to be bearing fruit other than intergenerational violence.