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Ubuntu 25.04 "Plucky Puffin" Takes Flight

24 points by CrankyBear 2y ago

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mistrial9 2y ago
the last LTS release 24.04 has had more instability (lockups) than any previous LTS Ubuntu in memory.. even with `snapd` removed; also `snap` has the marks of an anti-feature
- everdrive 2y ago
  I was trying to solve the snaps problem right before I finally abandoned Ubuntu. I was running some Ubuntu de-crapifier script from GitHub, which sort of worked but also caused some weird problems. It occurred to me that if my first steps for a new OS installion were to get rid of all the vendor-forced crap, I was lurching towards a Microsoft experience. I bounced around to a few OSes before settling on Fedora, which as been good but not perfect.
  - freedomben 2y ago
    I was a heavy Ubuntu user for a few years as well and had a similar experience. The Fedora way is a little bit different and does take a bit of getting used to, but I've been on Fedora now for many years and am extremely happy.
  - RadiozRadioz 2y ago
    If you want Ubuntu but without all the crap that Canonical adds, that's literally Debian
    - mixmastamyk 2y ago
      Mint is good too, you get a lot of niceties without snap noise.
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      Debian's release cycle is 2 years. Fedora's is 6 months.
      - RadiozRadioz 2y ago
        Fedora is not related to Debian or Ubuntu, so is not a true replacement. PS I hear this release cycle thing quite a bit, what's the benefit? What software are you using that requires bleeding edge packages that can't be containerized?
        everdrive 2y ago
        For me, it's gaming which means updated Wayland and Nvidia drivers. I'm sure there are ways to do this with Debian, but I just went with Fedora to test it out, and I've liked it enough to keep it. I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu.
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        > I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu. Was it missing updates, or was it just the ESR (LTS) version that only gets security (and maybe bug) fixes but is still maintained?
        everdrive 2y ago
        It was probably more than a decade ago, so I really can't say. I'm sure if I'd put time into, I could have resolved my issues.
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        Fedora was the truest replacement they found. Debian unstable is bleeding edge. Tested snapshots of Debian testing are not. Containers have many of snaps' inconveniences and some of their own. And desktop environment and virtual machine software releases have often bug fixes and improvements I don't want to wait for 12 or 18 months longer.
    - znpy 2y ago
      I dropped Ubuntu for Debian, then dropped Debian for Fedora and now I'm frankly very very happy. Ubuntu had hit the proverbial last straw for me when they started shipping even the dumbest things as snap: the fu--ing calculator. Opening the calculator (a 250kb binary) took 10-15 seconds because snap had to download the images, mount layers etc. I never hated a linux distro so much. Debian was fine but very stale, and a lot of things i use every day were broken or non functional. Particularly Firefox and bluetooth stuff. Fedora... It's just great. Software is fresh but very stable. Anything bluetooth works. Whole distro-upgrades don't break my system. Updating Ubuntu basically always meant reinstalling everything. At some point i was going LTS to LTS. I'm not going back to Debian/Ubuntu.
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    PopOS is basically Ubuntu with Snap removed.
    - chneu 2y ago
      I went pop for simplicity and enjoy it. I've run a bunch of Linux distros since the late 90s. Pop is the sweet spot for me, so far. It's a lil outdated but it's a rad lil distro.
      - panick21_ 2y ago
        I moved to 24.04 Alpha and so far haven't had problems.
- _mlbt 2y ago
  Why run Ubuntu if feel so strongly about snap? There are so many other distros that don’t use it.
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    Besides snaps it has a good mix of things. I am more familiar with apt, it tends to have better hardware support than it's peers, makes it easy to run proprietary codecs or drivers, has a lot of packages and repos. I recently switched to Debian to get away from Ubuntu CONSTANTLY forcing the Firefox snap over the Deb I purposefully installed. It's fine but I keep running into little things like the kernel being too old for my GPU, missing codecs for Zoom, etc. It's a little irritating in that regard. I guess I could have picked Mint but it still had an older kernel so even then it wouldn't have been trouble free. I would still be on Ubuntu if it just respected Firefox being a Deb. I tried many guides and times to get it to not use the snap and nothing worked on 24.04 so I gave up. I wouldn't even care if the snap version at least operated the same as the deb version.
    - cyberbanjo 2y ago
      install_firefox() { source /etc/os-release printf "Package: snapd Pin: release a=\* Pin-Priority: -10" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:mozillateam/ppa sudo apt update -y sudo apt install -y -t 'o=LP-PPA-mozillateam' firefox printf "%s" "Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins:: \"LP-PPA-mozillateam:${UBUNTU_CODENAME}\";" | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/51unattended-upgrades-firefox printf "Package: firefox\* Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam Pin-Priority: 501" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozillateamppa } remove_snaps() { sudo snap remove --purge firefox sudo snap remove --purge snap-store sudo snap remove --purge gnome-3-38-2004 sudo snap remove --purge gtk-common-themes sudo snap remove --purge snapd-desktop-integration sudo snap remove --purge bare sudo snap remove --purge core20 sudo snap remove --purge snapd sudo apt remove --autoremove snapd -y cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref # To prevent repository packages from triggering the installation of Snap, # this file forbids snapd from being installed by APT. # For more information: https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html Package: snapd Pin: release a=* Pin-Priority: -10 EOF sudo umount /var/snap }
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  What a wonderful comment to read minutes after I installed it over my previous 20.04 :)
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    ok but it is not the comment that is your new problem
    - pavel_lishin 2y ago
      Oh, that's very true. The bigger problem is all the stuff I forgot to back up :)
- jaredhallen 2y ago
  I've used Ubuntu for many things for many years. I'm not swearing off it, necessarily. But I'm using Arch a lot more these days.
teddy-smith 2y ago
I like Ubuntu. I just want stuff to work out the box so I can do my job and Ubuntu does that well enough.
- daveslash 2y ago
  Regarding "work out of the box".... I started using Ubuntu with Breezy Badger (5.10). In those days, I had been goofing around with Mandrake (RIP, now Mandriva), Fedora Core 4, Knoppix 3.4, and Suse 10. Back then, it was so frustrating to just play an mp3 file, get Wi-Fi working, etc... Maybe it's because I was a lot younger and didn't know what I was doing. But it was also because a lot of drivers and codecs were protected under Intellectual Property rights. Ubuntu let you click a button to install all the codecs! They said "Hey, you legally aren't supposed to use these codecs. Are you sure you want to install them? [Yes] [ No]" -- and we all just hit yes. That's all it took to get your multimedia to play! Boom, easy! Even if not strictly legal. That was a needle mover for Ubuntu adoption, imho.
yencabulator 2y ago
> The Papers PDF reader replaces Evince with a modern design and better performance. That link seems to go to some proprietary application. The correct link is https://apps.gnome.org/Papers/ https://apps.gnome.org/Papers/ This seems like pretty miserable quality blogspam. Better link: https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2025/04/17/ubuntu-25-04-plucky-puffin-released/ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2025/04/17/ubuntu-25-04-plucky-puf...

24 points by CrankyBear 2y ago

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the last LTS release 24.04 has had more instability (lockups) than any previous LTS Ubuntu in memory.. even with `snapd` removed; also `snap` has the marks of an anti-feature

everdrive 2y ago
I was trying to solve the snaps problem right before I finally abandoned Ubuntu. I was running some Ubuntu de-crapifier script from GitHub, which sort of worked but also caused some weird problems. It occurred to me that if my first steps for a new OS installion were to get rid of all the vendor-forced crap, I was lurching towards a Microsoft experience. I bounced around to a few OSes before settling on Fedora, which as been good but not perfect.
- freedomben 2y ago
  I was a heavy Ubuntu user for a few years as well and had a similar experience. The Fedora way is a little bit different and does take a bit of getting used to, but I've been on Fedora now for many years and am extremely happy.
- RadiozRadioz 2y ago
  If you want Ubuntu but without all the crap that Canonical adds, that's literally Debian
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    Mint is good too, you get a lot of niceties without snap noise.
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    Debian's release cycle is 2 years. Fedora's is 6 months.
    - RadiozRadioz 2y ago
      Fedora is not related to Debian or Ubuntu, so is not a true replacement. PS I hear this release cycle thing quite a bit, what's the benefit? What software are you using that requires bleeding edge packages that can't be containerized?
      - everdrive 2y ago
        For me, it's gaming which means updated Wayland and Nvidia drivers. I'm sure there are ways to do this with Debian, but I just went with Fedora to test it out, and I've liked it enough to keep it. I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu.
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        > I did try Debian YEARS ago and Firefox was out of date in quite a scary way. It's unclear to me if I did something wrong there, but badly out of date web browsers can also be quite scary. At the time, I never looked into and just went back to Ubuntu. Was it missing updates, or was it just the ESR (LTS) version that only gets security (and maybe bug) fixes but is still maintained?
        everdrive 2y ago
        It was probably more than a decade ago, so I really can't say. I'm sure if I'd put time into, I could have resolved my issues.
      - pseudalopex 2y ago
        Fedora was the truest replacement they found. Debian unstable is bleeding edge. Tested snapshots of Debian testing are not. Containers have many of snaps' inconveniences and some of their own. And desktop environment and virtual machine software releases have often bug fixes and improvements I don't want to wait for 12 or 18 months longer.
  - znpy 2y ago
    I dropped Ubuntu for Debian, then dropped Debian for Fedora and now I'm frankly very very happy. Ubuntu had hit the proverbial last straw for me when they started shipping even the dumbest things as snap: the fu--ing calculator. Opening the calculator (a 250kb binary) took 10-15 seconds because snap had to download the images, mount layers etc. I never hated a linux distro so much. Debian was fine but very stale, and a lot of things i use every day were broken or non functional. Particularly Firefox and bluetooth stuff. Fedora... It's just great. Software is fresh but very stable. Anything bluetooth works. Whole distro-upgrades don't break my system. Updating Ubuntu basically always meant reinstalling everything. At some point i was going LTS to LTS. I'm not going back to Debian/Ubuntu.
- panick21_ 2y ago
  PopOS is basically Ubuntu with Snap removed.
  - chneu 2y ago
    I went pop for simplicity and enjoy it. I've run a bunch of Linux distros since the late 90s. Pop is the sweet spot for me, so far. It's a lil outdated but it's a rad lil distro.
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      I moved to 24.04 Alpha and so far haven't had problems.
_mlbt 2y ago
Why run Ubuntu if feel so strongly about snap? There are so many other distros that don’t use it.
- goosedragons 2y ago
  Besides snaps it has a good mix of things. I am more familiar with apt, it tends to have better hardware support than it's peers, makes it easy to run proprietary codecs or drivers, has a lot of packages and repos. I recently switched to Debian to get away from Ubuntu CONSTANTLY forcing the Firefox snap over the Deb I purposefully installed. It's fine but I keep running into little things like the kernel being too old for my GPU, missing codecs for Zoom, etc. It's a little irritating in that regard. I guess I could have picked Mint but it still had an older kernel so even then it wouldn't have been trouble free. I would still be on Ubuntu if it just respected Firefox being a Deb. I tried many guides and times to get it to not use the snap and nothing worked on 24.04 so I gave up. I wouldn't even care if the snap version at least operated the same as the deb version.
  - cyberbanjo 2y ago
    install_firefox() { source /etc/os-release printf "Package: snapd Pin: release a=\* Pin-Priority: -10" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:mozillateam/ppa sudo apt update -y sudo apt install -y -t 'o=LP-PPA-mozillateam' firefox printf "%s" "Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins:: \"LP-PPA-mozillateam:${UBUNTU_CODENAME}\";" | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/51unattended-upgrades-firefox printf "Package: firefox\* Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam Pin-Priority: 501" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozillateamppa } remove_snaps() { sudo snap remove --purge firefox sudo snap remove --purge snap-store sudo snap remove --purge gnome-3-38-2004 sudo snap remove --purge gtk-common-themes sudo snap remove --purge snapd-desktop-integration sudo snap remove --purge bare sudo snap remove --purge core20 sudo snap remove --purge snapd sudo apt remove --autoremove snapd -y cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref # To prevent repository packages from triggering the installation of Snap, # this file forbids snapd from being installed by APT. # For more information: https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html Package: snapd Pin: release a=* Pin-Priority: -10 EOF sudo umount /var/snap }
pavel_lishin 2y ago
What a wonderful comment to read minutes after I installed it over my previous 20.04 :)
- mistrial9 2y ago
  ok but it is not the comment that is your new problem
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    Oh, that's very true. The bigger problem is all the stuff I forgot to back up :)
jaredhallen 2y ago
I've used Ubuntu for many things for many years. I'm not swearing off it, necessarily. But I'm using Arch a lot more these days.

teddy-smith 2y ago

I like Ubuntu. I just want stuff to work out the box so I can do my job and Ubuntu does that well enough.

daveslash 2y ago
Regarding "work out of the box".... I started using Ubuntu with Breezy Badger (5.10). In those days, I had been goofing around with Mandrake (RIP, now Mandriva), Fedora Core 4, Knoppix 3.4, and Suse 10. Back then, it was so frustrating to just play an mp3 file, get Wi-Fi working, etc... Maybe it's because I was a lot younger and didn't know what I was doing. But it was also because a lot of drivers and codecs were protected under Intellectual Property rights. Ubuntu let you click a button to install all the codecs! They said "Hey, you legally aren't supposed to use these codecs. Are you sure you want to install them? [Yes] [ No]" -- and we all just hit yes. That's all it took to get your multimedia to play! Boom, easy! Even if not strictly legal. That was a needle mover for Ubuntu adoption, imho.

yencabulator 2y ago

> The Papers PDF reader replaces Evince with a modern design and better performance. That link seems to go to some proprietary application. The correct link is https://apps.gnome.org/Papers/ https://apps.gnome.org/Papers/ This seems like pretty miserable quality blogspam. Better link: https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2025/04/17/ubuntu-25-04-plucky-puffin-released/ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2025/04/17/ubuntu-25-04-plucky-puf...