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Who should surrender, though? At this point in time, if Hamas were to surrender, the Israeli occupation of Gaza would just get worse. That wouldn't be peace,
by kelnos 2y ago
Who should surrender, though? At this point in time, if Hamas were to surrender, the Israeli occupation of Gaza would just get worse. That wouldn't be peace, or justice, for people of Gaza. I certainly don't support what Hamas has done, but Israeli rule will probably be pretty brutal for Palestinians.
- robertoandred 2y agoIsrael hasn't occupied Gaza for 20 years.
- CobrastanJorji 2y agoWell yes, but that's because once Israel occupies it, it isn't Gaza anymore. Now it's a "Security Zone." Something like half of Gaza is "Security Zone" now: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-israel-military https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-i...
- za3faran 2y agoThey literally control the air, water, electricity, food, internet, everything. They are literally mass starving the Gazans as we speak.
- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- za3faran 2y agoisrael literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.
- shadowgovt 2y agoI'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist. How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care? It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 2y agoGiven the history, I can appreciate their rage. The point stands that you don't get a state with long-term stability by just dropping a lid on a pressure-cooker. Solutions that lean in that direction start to look disquietingly like final solutions.
- milesrout 2y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 2y agoTimeline-wise, the Palestinians were there long before the Israelis in modern Israel. I don't think forcing them out is a reasonable starting point. At best, that becomes a perpetual shame like the US treatment of native Americans. Personally, I look to Ireland and England as a potential model. People have been conflating Hamas and Gaza in this thread... At the height of the Troubles, more Irish supported the IRA than Palestinians support Hamas, and I don't think anyone ever suggested the solution was to relocate the Irish.
- milesrout 2y ago
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