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> Artificial means human made, if we made a thing that is intelligent, then it is artificial intelligence. Aren't humans themselves essentially human made? Ma

> Artificial means human made, if we made a thing that is intelligent, then it is artificial intelligence. Aren't humans themselves essentially human made? Maybe a better definition would be non-human (or inorganic if we want to include intelligence like e.g. dolphins)?

Jensson 1y ago
> Aren't humans themselves essentially human made? Humans evolved, but yeah the definition can be a bit hard to understand since it is hard to separate things. That is why I brought up the artificial insemination example since it deals with this. > Maybe a better definition would be non-human (or inorganic if we want to include intelligence like e.g. dolphins)? We also have artificial lakes, they are inorganic but human made.
butlike 1y ago
"ii" (inorganic intelligence) has a better ring to it than AI and can also be stylized as "||" which means OR.
caconym_ 1y ago
> Aren't humans themselves essentially human made? No, not in the sense in which the word "made" is being used here. > Maybe a better definition would be non-human (or inorganic if we want to include intelligence like e.g. dolphins)? Neither of these work. Calling intelligence in animals "artificial" is absurd, and "inorganic" arbitrarily excludes "head cheese" style approaches to building artificial intelligence. "Artificial" strongly implies mimicry of something that occurs naturally, and is derived from the same root as "artifice", which can be defined as "to construct by means of skill or specialized art". This obviously excludes the natural biological act of reproduction that produces a newborn human brain (and support equipment) primed to learn and grow; reportedly, sometimes people don't even know they're pregnant until they go into labor (and figure out that's what's happening).
- kridsdale3 1y ago
  If I asked my wife if she made our son, she would say yes. It is literally called "labour". Then there is "emotional labour" that lasts for 10 years to do the post-training.
  - caconym_ 1y ago
    I drove my car to work today, and while I was at work I drove a meeting. Does this mean my car is a meeting? My meeting was a car? It turns out that some (many, in fact) words mean different things in different contexts. My comment makes an explicit argument concerning the connotations and nuances of the word "made" used in this context, and you have not responded to that argument.
    - dcow 1y ago
      Judging by this response, I’m guessing you don’t have children of your own. Otherwise you might understand the context.
      - caconym_ 1y ago
        Your guess is wrong! Maybe you should have written a substantive response to my comments instead of trying and failing to dunk on me. Maybe you don't understand as much as you think you do.
        dcow 1y ago
        I honestly don’t care enough to even have even remotely thought about my reply as trying to dunk on anything. You’re awfully jacked up for a comment so far down an old thread that you and I are probably the only ones who will ever read it.
        caconym_ 1y ago
        Okay!

Jensson 1y ago

> Aren't humans themselves essentially human made? Humans evolved, but yeah the definition can be a bit hard to understand since it is hard to separate things. That is why I brought up the artificial insemination example since it deals with this. > Maybe a better definition would be non-human (or inorganic if we want to include intelligence like e.g. dolphins)? We also have artificial lakes, they are inorganic but human made.

butlike 1y ago

"ii" (inorganic intelligence) has a better ring to it than AI and can also be stylized as "||" which means OR.

caconym_ 1y ago

> Aren't humans themselves essentially human made? No, not in the sense in which the word "made" is being used here. > Maybe a better definition would be non-human (or inorganic if we want to include intelligence like e.g. dolphins)? Neither of these work. Calling intelligence in animals "artificial" is absurd, and "inorganic" arbitrarily excludes "head cheese" style approaches to building artificial intelligence. "Artificial" strongly implies mimicry of something that occurs naturally, and is derived from the same root as "artifice", which can be defined as "to construct by means of skill or specialized art". This obviously excludes the natural biological act of reproduction that produces a newborn human brain (and support equipment) primed to learn and grow; reportedly, sometimes people don't even know they're pregnant until they go into labor (and figure out that's what's happening).

kridsdale3 1y ago
If I asked my wife if she made our son, she would say yes. It is literally called "labour". Then there is "emotional labour" that lasts for 10 years to do the post-training.
- caconym_ 1y ago
  I drove my car to work today, and while I was at work I drove a meeting. Does this mean my car is a meeting? My meeting was a car? It turns out that some (many, in fact) words mean different things in different contexts. My comment makes an explicit argument concerning the connotations and nuances of the word "made" used in this context, and you have not responded to that argument.
  - dcow 1y ago
    Judging by this response, I’m guessing you don’t have children of your own. Otherwise you might understand the context.
    - caconym_ 1y ago
      Your guess is wrong! Maybe you should have written a substantive response to my comments instead of trying and failing to dunk on me. Maybe you don't understand as much as you think you do.
      - dcow 1y ago
        I honestly don’t care enough to even have even remotely thought about my reply as trying to dunk on anything. You’re awfully jacked up for a comment so far down an old thread that you and I are probably the only ones who will ever read it.
        caconym_ 1y ago
        Okay!