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The concern is less about Signal, more about inviting journalists and immediate civilian family to a front row as it happens discussion about upcoming targets.

The concern is less about Signal, more about inviting journalists and immediate civilian family to a front row as it happens discussion about upcoming targets. That and the deliberate lack of record keeping. Attorneys suing the United States government over its use of vanishing Signal messages to coordinate military strikes last month in Yemen allege that new court filings by the government reveal a “calculated strategy” by Trump administration officials to evade transparency laws through the illegal destruction of government records. The use of the private group chat—in which some messages were configured to automatically delete before they could be archived—was first revealed by The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, on March 24, after he was inadvertently added to the group by Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Waltz. American Oversight subsequently filed Freedom of Information Act requests over the chats and then sought a temporary restraining order in a Washington, DC, federal court in an effort to compel the government to salvage any messages yet to be deleted. ~ https://www.wired.com/story/heres-what-happened-to-those-signalgate-messages/ https://www.wired.com/story/heres-what-happened-to-those-sig...

leereeves 2y ago
Hegseth has invited his wife and brother to other official meetings in person. He seems to be including them as part of his team; inviting them to the Signal chat probably wasn't a mistake. > That and the deliberate lack of record keeping. That part seems like speculation. How would we even know if records were kept? If records were kept, they'd be classified. > Attorneys suing the United States government over its use of vanishing Signal messages That seems very much like the concern is about the use of Signal, so the fact that CISA recommends it is very relevant.
- maxerickson 2y ago
  Oh good, his disregard for security is flagrant rather than incompetent.
  - leereeves 2y ago
    I imagine he trusts his wife and brother more than he trusts anyone else with access to that info. Having staff he trusts is the opposite of disregard for security. And since this info was leaked to the press, there is clearly someone with access who he should not have trusted. Do you really think the security breach in this case came from his wife or brother?
    - maxerickson 2y ago
      Really going hard on the Wilhoit, huh?
      - leereeves 2y ago
        > Really going hard on the Wilhoit, huh? I guess that's a reference to some fictional "Wilhoit's Law", right? I had to look it up. Turns out it's just a partisan Internet snipe from a classical music composer originally posted in the comments on a blog[1]. That sums up the case against Hegseth nicely. Just a partisan attack without substance, sustained only by ignorance. 1: https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservative...
        piva00 2y ago
        Without substance? Using chats without double checking who are members of the chat group is a thing not even I do when sharing some gossip, lol. That's blatant incompetence, a person responsible for the USA defence cannot be bothered to cross the members list of a group chat before sharing extremely sensitive information. And now he's adding his family into the mix?
        maxerickson 2y ago
        I don't think it's ignorant to think you are extending him an awful lot of grace.
        2y ago
- aigen000 2y ago
  From the original chat that got leaked, Walz had set the group chat up to auto delete messages every week, and 4 weeks in other cases. Official government communication is subject to the federal records act so that chat, which was used to communicate official government actions, was not compliant. If it was just used for lunch dates or something, Hesgeth wouldn't be in this mess. CISA recommends Signal, but it is not an approved tool to share classified information. That's what SCIFs are for.

leereeves 2y ago

Hegseth has invited his wife and brother to other official meetings in person. He seems to be including them as part of his team; inviting them to the Signal chat probably wasn't a mistake. > That and the deliberate lack of record keeping. That part seems like speculation. How would we even know if records were kept? If records were kept, they'd be classified. > Attorneys suing the United States government over its use of vanishing Signal messages That seems very much like the concern is about the use of Signal, so the fact that CISA recommends it is very relevant.

maxerickson 2y ago
Oh good, his disregard for security is flagrant rather than incompetent.
- leereeves 2y ago
  I imagine he trusts his wife and brother more than he trusts anyone else with access to that info. Having staff he trusts is the opposite of disregard for security. And since this info was leaked to the press, there is clearly someone with access who he should not have trusted. Do you really think the security breach in this case came from his wife or brother?
  - maxerickson 2y ago
    Really going hard on the Wilhoit, huh?
    - leereeves 2y ago
      > Really going hard on the Wilhoit, huh? I guess that's a reference to some fictional "Wilhoit's Law", right? I had to look it up. Turns out it's just a partisan Internet snipe from a classical music composer originally posted in the comments on a blog[1]. That sums up the case against Hegseth nicely. Just a partisan attack without substance, sustained only by ignorance. 1: https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservative...
      - piva00 2y ago
        Without substance? Using chats without double checking who are members of the chat group is a thing not even I do when sharing some gossip, lol. That's blatant incompetence, a person responsible for the USA defence cannot be bothered to cross the members list of a group chat before sharing extremely sensitive information. And now he's adding his family into the mix?
      - maxerickson 2y ago
        I don't think it's ignorant to think you are extending him an awful lot of grace.
        2y ago
aigen000 2y ago
From the original chat that got leaked, Walz had set the group chat up to auto delete messages every week, and 4 weeks in other cases. Official government communication is subject to the federal records act so that chat, which was used to communicate official government actions, was not compliant. If it was just used for lunch dates or something, Hesgeth wouldn't be in this mess. CISA recommends Signal, but it is not an approved tool to share classified information. That's what SCIFs are for.