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Well - what it was, that you have said? You fully know it changes things.

by StefanBatory 2y ago

lupusreal 2y ago
Good job confirming his point.
- noelwelsh 2y ago
  There have always been limits to free speech. Free speech has never meant you can incite violence, for example. You cannot order your goons to kill someone and then defend yourself on the basis of free speech.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    The UK goes far beyond that. Merely voicing political dissent to mass immigration can get you harassed by the police if you dare to say that immigrants shouldn't be admitted if they don't speak the language or have very different values. That isn't "inciting violence" except through very tortured round-about logic which could just as well classify any political dissent as inciting violence by way of tacitly, implicitly, not actually advocating for a violent revolt. They call it "hate speech" but what it really means is that expression of some political opinions is outlawed. This makes a farce of democracy.
    - rayiner 2y ago
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    - Braxton1980 2y ago
      >Merely voicing political dissent to mass immigration can get you harassed by the police if you dare to say that immigrants shouldn't be admitted if they don't speak the language or have very different values. Can you an example of a person who was convicted and exactly what they said?
      - pc86 2y ago
        The fact that you think there needs to be a criminal conviction in court makes me think you haven't the slightest idea what free speech means ideologically. If police question you based on your speech alone, that itself is a violation. You should not have to answer to the state for voicing disagreement or for having an unpopular opinion. Here's an example of half a dozen police officers coming to talk to parents for complaining about their school in a private WhatsApp group: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/29/parents-arrested-by-hertfordshire-police-for-complaining-about-daughters-school https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/29/parents-arre... (they were later arrested) Here's a police officer saying on video that if you tell someone to speak English it "could be perceived as a hate crime:" https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1911348268346323047 https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1911348268346323047 This was a partially deaf person asking the person they were talking to to please speak clearly (no mention of language was made, not that it should matter). The only appropriate response to a police officer coming up to you to discuss the interaction is profanity. Here's multiple arrests for protests after the death of the Queen: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713 These are ones I found with a Google search in under ten minutes. I'm sure there are dozens, hundreds more - one link I didn't open said there have been approximately 3,000 arrests based on social media posts. I'm sure some of those are justified, I'm sure a lot of them aren't. A conviction does not need to happen for damage to be done or for speech to be chilled.

Well - what it was, that you have said? You fully know it changes things.

lupusreal 2y ago

Good job confirming his point.

noelwelsh 2y ago
There have always been limits to free speech. Free speech has never meant you can incite violence, for example. You cannot order your goons to kill someone and then defend yourself on the basis of free speech.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  The UK goes far beyond that. Merely voicing political dissent to mass immigration can get you harassed by the police if you dare to say that immigrants shouldn't be admitted if they don't speak the language or have very different values. That isn't "inciting violence" except through very tortured round-about logic which could just as well classify any political dissent as inciting violence by way of tacitly, implicitly, not actually advocating for a violent revolt. They call it "hate speech" but what it really means is that expression of some political opinions is outlawed. This makes a farce of democracy.
  - rayiner 2y ago
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  - Braxton1980 2y ago
    >Merely voicing political dissent to mass immigration can get you harassed by the police if you dare to say that immigrants shouldn't be admitted if they don't speak the language or have very different values. Can you an example of a person who was convicted and exactly what they said?
    - pc86 2y ago
      The fact that you think there needs to be a criminal conviction in court makes me think you haven't the slightest idea what free speech means ideologically. If police question you based on your speech alone, that itself is a violation. You should not have to answer to the state for voicing disagreement or for having an unpopular opinion. Here's an example of half a dozen police officers coming to talk to parents for complaining about their school in a private WhatsApp group: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/29/parents-arrested-by-hertfordshire-police-for-complaining-about-daughters-school https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/29/parents-arre... (they were later arrested) Here's a police officer saying on video that if you tell someone to speak English it "could be perceived as a hate crime:" https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1911348268346323047 https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1911348268346323047 This was a partially deaf person asking the person they were talking to to please speak clearly (no mention of language was made, not that it should matter). The only appropriate response to a police officer coming up to you to discuss the interaction is profanity. Here's multiple arrests for protests after the death of the Queen: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62883713 These are ones I found with a Google search in under ten minutes. I'm sure there are dozens, hundreds more - one link I didn't open said there have been approximately 3,000 arrests based on social media posts. I'm sure some of those are justified, I'm sure a lot of them aren't. A conviction does not need to happen for damage to be done or for speech to be chilled.