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I wonder whether we will have another Jesuit Pope. Jesuits are supposed to be generally very education focused, more progressive (especially w.r.t science) and
by hliyan 2y ago
I wonder whether we will have another Jesuit Pope. Jesuits are supposed to be generally very education focused, more progressive (especially w.r.t science) and stand less on ceremony. I know nothing about how the College of Cardinals work, but if they're anything like other political voting bodies, one of two outcomes are possible: a swing to the Right (and toward tradition), recognizing the current balance of power in the world, or a swing even further Left of Francis, again recognizing the current trend but as a counterweight.
- dudefeliciano 2y agothe film Conclave did a very good job at showing the politics and conflicts within the catholic church
- grandempire 2y agoI think that is merely skin deep - Catholicism provided an interesting setting or scenery for a story, rather than being the subject.
- dudefeliciano 2y agoi think that is intendeded; it's not a movie about catholicism but about politics and human nature. What I meant is that it shows the internal workings of the papal election and the conflicts within the catholic church that may be unknown to laypeople.
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- grandempire 2y agoOn second thought I think you’re right. The layperson can become more aware of religious politics, because there is so little exposure. I hope the next step is for people to understand that religious problems are actually people problems. And similar themes and tendencies appear in modern secular contexts.
- mschuster91 2y agoFully agree. It's going to get interesting - by numbers, the Church is shrinking in its core lands of Europe, and it's growing in Africa, South America and Asia, but that isn't even closely reflected in political realities and the amount and importance of cardinals.
- a_e_k 2y agoI'll admit that I am curious about if we'll ever see a conservative African pope.
- dudefeliciano 2y agothis italian (venetian) reggae band has been predicting it since 97, this song regains minor popularity in italy every time there is a new pope election https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh0O2Ah-qO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh0O2Ah-qO4
- seanw444 2y agoI see a lot of people in my news circle hoping for Robert Sarah, who seems to be exactly that.
- QuarterReptile 2y agoThere is almost no hope of an African pope being chosen. They are all too conservative. You can read that conspiritorially or take it as the recognized imprudence of fomenting European schism.
- wwilim 2y agoGiven how changes of power tend to swing nowadays, I am afraid I guessed it right (pun not intentional)
- riffraff 2y agoBut he was also an odd Jesuit wasn't he? Starting from his chosen name, since Franciscans and Jesuits have not been very close historically (although the founder of the latter was inspired by St. Francis). From what I read, it's exactly as you say: people expect either a reaction swing to conservativism or a a big swing towards modernity. Pope Francis was old and could not do much, but he tried to set a path for the latter, afaiu.
- grandempire 2y ago> especially w.r.t science I would like to know more. My impression is that most Christian institutions have long ago disentangled from scientific debate - providing interpretative value rather than alternative science. This is part of a larger trend to focus their scope and mission in modern life. Have the last few popes made comments on scientific issues? (The exception is evangelical Americans.)
- froh 2y agothe pontifical academy of science has. https://www.pas.va/en.html https://www.pas.va/en.html
- grandempire 2y agoThanks. That looks like a way for Catholics to support and endorse scientific research rather than a develop alternative science.
- krapp 2y agoIronically, Catholicism as an institution has a better track record of supporting science than many Protestant sects. Much of the "alternative science" comes from the Baptists and Evangelicals.
- AStonesThrow 2y agoIt always seems weird and ignorant for people to be labeling Catholic bishops as “left-wing” or “right-wing” or “liberal/progressive” or “conservative”. Those are all political terms for politicians and their platforms or parties. They do not translate to Catholic doctrines or teachings. Y’all are simply parroting what the lamestream media wants to impose, a political veneer on non-politicians who are shepherds, pastors, teachers.
- andrepd 2y agoThere very much is such a thing as a "progressive" and "conservative" wing in Catholicism, and the Vatican is well known to be very much a viper's nest. It's naive to imply that all those clergymen are simply "shepherds, pastors, teachers".
- AStonesThrow 2y ago"Our left-right political paradigm does not map neatly onto ancient institutions." -- Michael Knowles https://youtu.be/y0v0xQdiY7U https://youtu.be/y0v0xQdiY7U
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- Spooky23 2y agoCatholic bishops and clergy like to meddle in politics. In the US, reactionaries are dumping lots on money on the church, and many bishops have embraced right wing politics, stupidly aligning with evangelicals who deeply despise Catholicism in the process. Some of the moves made are comically dumb. The archbishop of New York decided to make a big show about denying communion to the notoriously vindictive former governor of the state. That governor subsequently changed the look back period for civil sex abuse lawsuits, which has bankrupted or is in the process of bankrupting dioceses as they are forced to own up to their failures to protect children.
- ebiester 2y agohttps://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/study-liberal-us-priests-facing-progressive https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/study-liberal-us-priests-fa... This is a Catholic media group. It uses the words as above. Think Karl Rahner or Yves Congar.
- TheOtherHobbes 2y agoFrancis spent the last couple of years creating new cardinals to stack the College in what - he hoped - was a more progressive direction. But the College has a mind of its own, and there is going to be some furious horse trading happening behind the scenes to steer the result in one direction or the other.
- somenameforme 2y agoNewton never realized exactly how insightful his 3rd law of motion truly was.
- skissane 2y ago> Francis spent the last couple of years creating new cardinals to stack the College in what - he hoped - was a more progressive direction. I don't think that was necessarily what he was doing. He tried to rebalance it to include a lot more cardinals from the developing world–who on average tend to be more conservative, at least on some issues. He arguably avoided the more outspoken conservatives, but he would have caught up a lot of quieter conservatives in the process. Whereas, if he just wanted to stack it with progressives, he would have focused on adding cardinals from the developed world, where Catholic progressivism is arguably the strongest.