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Yeah but it's been 17 years, maybe it's time to put the PTSD behind us. We're almost at a point where the current generation of programmers wasn't even programm

Yeah but it's been 17 years, maybe it's time to put the PTSD behind us. We're almost at a point where the current generation of programmers wasn't even programming when that happened.

rglullis 2y ago
> We're almost at a point where the current generation of programmers wasn't even programming when that happened I've been programming with Python since 2006, I think most of the systems were based on 2.4 at the time. I've been one of those who switched to Python 3 somewhat late, waiting for some major libraries to ship python 3 packages - celery and Twisted were one of the biggest holdouts - so I remember that the first project where all my dependencies were ready for python 3 was around 2015. This is to say: even seasoned developers who were conservative around the migration have spent more time working with Python 3 than Python 2. There simply is no reason anymore to be talking about python 2.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  The last time I touched a large Py2 project was in 2018 when I ported it to Py3. So, I have 18 years of Py2, probably 6 years of overlap, and 7 years of pure Py3. That means I still have a lot more Py2 than Py3 time. Buuuttt, I'm so over the transition. It’s ancient now and I agree that we can stop fretting about it.
nightfly 2y ago
Python2 code didn't disappear when Python3 came out. At my work we're _still_ occasionally having to help people migrate code that was written for python2
- damnitbuilds 2y ago
  Also my experience, alas. We are not completely Post Traumatic Python2 Stress yet, I am afraid. Bad decisions can have looong-term repercussions.
nhumrich 2y ago
We're at a point where the current generation of programmers weren't even _alive_ when that happened.
- pansa2 2y ago
  Yes, Python 3.0 was released 17 years ago. But the transition from Python 2.x was only completed with 2.7’s end-of-life, 5 years ago.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    "It's still supported" is a strange metric for this. I mean, ActiveState still provides Python 2.7 builds with (paid) support.
    - eichin 2y ago
      And Ubuntu ESM got used as an excuse/"life support" for python 2 via 16.04 until horrifyingly recently. (With a layer of "you can still get ESM for 14.04, we're not that far behind" :-)

Yeah but it's been 17 years, maybe it's time to put the PTSD behind us. We're almost at a point where the current generation of programmers wasn't even programming when that happened.

rglullis 2y ago

> We're almost at a point where the current generation of programmers wasn't even programming when that happened I've been programming with Python since 2006, I think most of the systems were based on 2.4 at the time. I've been one of those who switched to Python 3 somewhat late, waiting for some major libraries to ship python 3 packages - celery and Twisted were one of the biggest holdouts - so I remember that the first project where all my dependencies were ready for python 3 was around 2015. This is to say: even seasoned developers who were conservative around the migration have spent more time working with Python 3 than Python 2. There simply is no reason anymore to be talking about python 2.

kstrauser 2y ago
The last time I touched a large Py2 project was in 2018 when I ported it to Py3. So, I have 18 years of Py2, probably 6 years of overlap, and 7 years of pure Py3. That means I still have a lot more Py2 than Py3 time. Buuuttt, I'm so over the transition. It’s ancient now and I agree that we can stop fretting about it.

nightfly 2y ago

Python2 code didn't disappear when Python3 came out. At my work we're _still_ occasionally having to help people migrate code that was written for python2

damnitbuilds 2y ago
Also my experience, alas. We are not completely Post Traumatic Python2 Stress yet, I am afraid. Bad decisions can have looong-term repercussions.

nhumrich 2y ago

We're at a point where the current generation of programmers weren't even _alive_ when that happened.

pansa2 2y ago
Yes, Python 3.0 was released 17 years ago. But the transition from Python 2.x was only completed with 2.7’s end-of-life, 5 years ago.
- int_19h 2y ago
  "It's still supported" is a strange metric for this. I mean, ActiveState still provides Python 2.7 builds with (paid) support.
  - eichin 2y ago
    And Ubuntu ESM got used as an excuse/"life support" for python 2 via 16.04 until horrifyingly recently. (With a layer of "you can still get ESM for 14.04, we're not that far behind" :-)