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This is why it won’t succeed. The person getting pregnant is going to want some proof that the contraception is being used properly. And that means something th

This is why it won’t succeed. The person getting pregnant is going to want some proof that the contraception is being used properly. And that means something that they can see or something that they do themselves.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
Exactly. I'm confident women worry a lot more about getting pregnant than men worry about getting someone pregnant.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  You don't think men worry about having a kid with someone they don't want to, being responsible for 18 years of child support, making hard decisions about whether they want to be involved in the kid's life, etc.? Men are terrified of getting someone pregnant. At least women have a choice as to what to do about it. If they don't want to keep it, they don't, assuming the law permits it or the law is easy to get around. Men don't ever have that choice.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Anecdotal polling from my peer group strongly suggests you are wrong. Every guy I know would rather be responsible for taking an equivalent pill than the woman taking it. Every single one of us has experienced one or more women who missed taking the pill a day here or there and those women weren't that concerned about it. As an add-on (depending on jurisdiction), women have the backup of the abortion decision whereas men do not.
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adrianmonk 2y ago
That's a solid argument for why a male birth control pill won't substitute for a female birth control pill. But I don't think it needs to in order to succeed. For women, the stakes are higher. For men, they're still high enough. There's no reason both people can't be on the pill. Yes, it's a bit redundant, but when your goal is safety, redundancy is usually good. "Trust me, babe, you won't get pregnant because I'm on the (male) pill!" is going to be tough sell in the bedroom. But "guys, control your own fate with a once-daily pill!" will be an easy sell in the inevitable TV ads.
giantg2 2y ago
I would agree for casual sex, but I don't think this stays true for committed relationships.
herbst 2y ago
Do you ask woman for proof that they took their pills properly? Do they photo proof it daily to you?
cthalupa 2y ago
I don't want to get someone pregnant. If I can take a pill to largely ensure this is the case, I'm going to take a pill. Hell, if I'm engaging in casual sex, I'm going to take both the pill and wear a condom. I've had condoms break and not notice it immediately - thankfully never at the point where I've reached climax, but I could see it happening.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

Exactly. I'm confident women worry a lot more about getting pregnant than men worry about getting someone pregnant.

crazygringo 2y ago
You don't think men worry about having a kid with someone they don't want to, being responsible for 18 years of child support, making hard decisions about whether they want to be involved in the kid's life, etc.? Men are terrified of getting someone pregnant. At least women have a choice as to what to do about it. If they don't want to keep it, they don't, assuming the law permits it or the law is easy to get around. Men don't ever have that choice.
giantg2 2y ago
Anecdotal polling from my peer group strongly suggests you are wrong. Every guy I know would rather be responsible for taking an equivalent pill than the woman taking it. Every single one of us has experienced one or more women who missed taking the pill a day here or there and those women weren't that concerned about it. As an add-on (depending on jurisdiction), women have the backup of the abortion decision whereas men do not.

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adrianmonk 2y ago

That's a solid argument for why a male birth control pill won't substitute for a female birth control pill. But I don't think it needs to in order to succeed. For women, the stakes are higher. For men, they're still high enough. There's no reason both people can't be on the pill. Yes, it's a bit redundant, but when your goal is safety, redundancy is usually good. "Trust me, babe, you won't get pregnant because I'm on the (male) pill!" is going to be tough sell in the bedroom. But "guys, control your own fate with a once-daily pill!" will be an easy sell in the inevitable TV ads.

giantg2 2y ago

I would agree for casual sex, but I don't think this stays true for committed relationships.

herbst 2y ago

Do you ask woman for proof that they took their pills properly? Do they photo proof it daily to you?

cthalupa 2y ago

I don't want to get someone pregnant. If I can take a pill to largely ensure this is the case, I'm going to take a pill. Hell, if I'm engaging in casual sex, I'm going to take both the pill and wear a condom. I've had condoms break and not notice it immediately - thankfully never at the point where I've reached climax, but I could see it happening.