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The real answer is that we need to align incentives and encourage the rule of law by getting rid of this blanket sovereign immunity. Held by the government for

The real answer is that we need to align incentives and encourage the rule of law by getting rid of this blanket sovereign immunity. Held by the government for 10 days while the government slowly figures out that they shouldn't be holding you? Here's a hefty check compensating for your time, emotional distress, and other damages. Obviously, the chance of this happening with Krasnov in office is a pipe dream, but regardless of where we're at we need to remember which direction is forwards.

mulmen 2y ago
Agree there should be consequences for this kind of mistake. If there’s no evidence of wrongdoing then there’s no reason to hold him. It’s worth noting the government didn’t figure it out. His family did. Without that he’d still be detained or already deported.
stefan_ 2y ago
You just need to get back to the true meaning of bureaucracy: drone gov workers applying the law. Instead border officials were empowered to be mini dictators, a lot of power, no responsibility, and guess what, a bunch of them turn out to be dumb, malicious or raging racists.
- mindslight 2y ago
  Bureaucracy has different failure modes, but failures still happen. The point is to make the government accountable for its own actions, which increases its legitimacy and sets up an incentive to minimize the amount of harm it causes.
duped 2y ago
Do you think better incentives would have stopped the Holocaust? Like not to go all slippery slope, but that's how ridiculous this sounds. You cannot fight fascism with fines and courts.
- mindslight 2y ago
  I think government accountability, which includes making government agents and agencies beholden to the laws they're purporting to uphold, would have helped prevent many of the frustrations and "both sides" arguments that made otherwise reasonable people shut off their reasoning and buy into the destructionist movement. As for the realities of our current situation, I acknowledged that in my last sentence.
- tim333 2y ago
  This isn't the holocaust though and probably not fascism. There's an earlier article about ICE arresting Americans: >The largest number of those arrests occurred in 2012 and 2013 -- at the height of an aggressive push by the Obama administration to deport unauthorized immigrants. https://www.latimes.com/archives/story/2018-04-27/ice-held-an-american-man-in-custody-for-1273-days https://www.latimes.com/archives/story/2018-04-27/ice-held-a...
  - mindslight 2y ago
    Does the article happen to say how many were denied judicial recourse and summarily shipped to an extrajudicial concentration camp? Just because the authoritarianism problem has been slow burning for a while doesn't mean we're not facing an urgent problem of a new degree with this simple-minded fascist at the helm.

mulmen 2y ago

Agree there should be consequences for this kind of mistake. If there’s no evidence of wrongdoing then there’s no reason to hold him. It’s worth noting the government didn’t figure it out. His family did. Without that he’d still be detained or already deported.

stefan_ 2y ago

You just need to get back to the true meaning of bureaucracy: drone gov workers applying the law. Instead border officials were empowered to be mini dictators, a lot of power, no responsibility, and guess what, a bunch of them turn out to be dumb, malicious or raging racists.

mindslight 2y ago
Bureaucracy has different failure modes, but failures still happen. The point is to make the government accountable for its own actions, which increases its legitimacy and sets up an incentive to minimize the amount of harm it causes.

duped 2y ago

Do you think better incentives would have stopped the Holocaust? Like not to go all slippery slope, but that's how ridiculous this sounds. You cannot fight fascism with fines and courts.

mindslight 2y ago
I think government accountability, which includes making government agents and agencies beholden to the laws they're purporting to uphold, would have helped prevent many of the frustrations and "both sides" arguments that made otherwise reasonable people shut off their reasoning and buy into the destructionist movement. As for the realities of our current situation, I acknowledged that in my last sentence.
tim333 2y ago
This isn't the holocaust though and probably not fascism. There's an earlier article about ICE arresting Americans: >The largest number of those arrests occurred in 2012 and 2013 -- at the height of an aggressive push by the Obama administration to deport unauthorized immigrants. https://www.latimes.com/archives/story/2018-04-27/ice-held-an-american-man-in-custody-for-1273-days https://www.latimes.com/archives/story/2018-04-27/ice-held-a...
- mindslight 2y ago
  Does the article happen to say how many were denied judicial recourse and summarily shipped to an extrajudicial concentration camp? Just because the authoritarianism problem has been slow burning for a while doesn't mean we're not facing an urgent problem of a new degree with this simple-minded fascist at the helm.