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U.S. citizen in Arizona detained by immigration officials for 10 days
- csto12 1y agoTruly the party of small government and personal freedoms :)
- mizzao 1y agoMaybe in the past. Now, it's just the party of "whatever DJT says, goes".
- intermerda 1y agoEven in the past it was nothing but a coded language. They don't actually believe in it from a principled point of view. Lee Atwater 1981 interview has continued to remain relevant. From direct racial slurs to forced busing, states' rights. Then it morphed into small government, personal freedoms. And now it's DEI and trans.
- Spooky23 1y agoRemember in the 90s, Newt Gingrich would speak in hallowed tones about the sanctity of the rule of law on Rush Limbaugh. All bullshit.
- mindslight 1y agoI don't think the hypocrisy has bothered them for quite some time. By "personal freedom", they mean the freedom for themselves to personally oppress others - not a society based upon widespread individual liberty. This is very apparent when a blatant violation of constitutional freedoms happens to someone in an "othered" group (eg Kenneth Walker's 2nd amendment rights), and they line right up in support of the oppressors.
- atkailash 1y agoIt’s basically the party of narcissism. Which is why Trump has succeeded. Freedoms insofar as their world and life are concerned. Generally not an externally motivated “hey they need to be free too” unless they can somehow appear morally superior in a US Christian way, like abortion or prootecting marriage.
- yibg 1y agoWas that ever true? At least over the last couple of decades those mostly seem to translate to: - Small government: cut things we don't like (e.g. social programs), and spend more on things we do like (e.g. military) - Personal freedoms: more freedoms for things we like (e.g. guns), remove freedoms for things we don't (e.g. LGBTQ)
- runjake 1y agoNot to lessen your point, because I 100% agree, but I'd like to point out that you could swap a couple words in your statements to make the same point about the Democrats: - Small government: cut things we don't like (e.g. military), and spend more on things we do like (e.g. social programs) - Personal freedoms: more freedoms for things we like (e.g. LGBTQ), remove freedoms for things we don't (e.g. guns)
- dehugger 1y agoThe crucial missing element is Republicans identifying as "a party of small government".
- runjake 1y agoSure fine but they describe themselves as the “party of personal freedoms” so the same applies, in my mind. The point being neither party is anywhere close to being a party of either thing. There are giant “plot holes” in both their platforms.
- birksherty 1y ago> party of either thing Democrats don't say party of small gov, only republicans say that. Democrats want more regulations instead. Democrats want freedom but not freedom that give rights that kills kids.
- rpgwaiter 1y agoSince when has either party ever cut military spending? I wish Dems were as cool as you say.
- kevinpet 1y agoThey never claimed to be the party of personal freedom. There's a libertarian contingent within the GOP that wishes they could persuade people to go that direction, but unsuccessfully for decades. They have claimed to be the party of small government. And even someone who disagrees with them can recognize the "small government" within their idealized view means government that is only involved in the things that government should be involved in. It doesn't necessarily (or in practice ever) mean less spending.
- mcmcmc 1y ago> And even someone who disagrees with them can recognize the "small government" within their idealized view means government that is only involved in the things that government should be involved in. Sure, maybe if they were ever ideologically consistent. Yet somehow “government should not be involved in healthcare” also means “government can dictate your healthcare decisions” vis a vis gender affirming care and abortions. Or how “government should not be involved in wealth redistribution” means “let’s grow the national debt to give billionaires more tax breaks and subsidies”. This is totally setting aside the fact that small government has always carried the connotation of fiscal conservatism.
- ethbr1 1y agoThe inherent contradiction in the modern Republican party is that it's a blend of Christian conservative morality with libertarian economics. That works... until a policy area straddles both areas: abortion, free trade, etc.
- enaaem 1y agoI feel like American democrats are leaving Christian votes on the table. Here is a party programme of center left evangelical party from Europe [1]. For example, I find it brilliant that they rebranded the environment to the Creation. [1] https://insite.christenunie.nl/l/library/download/urn:uuid:985cc63b-67de-4ab9-bc54-3f73f48cad7e/compact+election+programme+christian+union+2023-2028.pdf https://insite.christenunie.nl/l/library/download/urn:uuid:9...
- zombiwoof 1y agoNo illegal Russians are being sent to Mexico
- croes 1y agoI guess he doesn’t look American enough
- ivape 1y agoBingo. Racial profiling. Are we done with the great deportation experiment? Giving amnesty like Reagan or Bush Jr's visa proposal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_worker_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_worker_program) would make us safer just due to IDing everyone, and richer due to taxing more people. That's the one great thing about America, we'll try every bad thing at least once (internment camps, segregation, false wars), and then we realize we're actually not down with it. We can tighten down the immigration entrance policy after we humanely deal with what has already happened.
- alephnerd 1y agoWe had a shot at a general amnesty or reformed guest worker program in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, but unions like the UFCW (the primary decider of elections in NV) and others in the AFL-CIO opposed it. That said, the AFL-CIO of today is much more white collar and diverse compared to that of 20 years ago, so it wouldn't be as brutal for their locals. I've said this a thousand times: all unions aren't equal, and we as Dems need to drop the Midwest (aside from MN and IL, where unions are AFL-CIO aligned, and demographics are Dem aligned) and the UAW+ILU. The GOP has a platform that is closer aligned to their locals, and national has flipped as a result. Give up the rust belt, and concentrate on shoring up UFCW heavy states like NV, AZ, GA, and NC. Pandering to the UAW and ILU cause the Biden admin to snub Musk, which enraged an already unstable egotistical person to go into the deep end [0], and the UAW and ILU anyhow decided to endorse the Trump admin's current moves [1]. So much for making an enemy. Stop pandering to the Hank Hills - they will vote red. Of course, this won't change - such a change would inevitably break a lot of factions internally in the Dems, and would be fought tooth and nail by the Shapiros and Whitmers. [0] - https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/how-elon-musk-broke-with-biden-and-the-democrats-4960b7d8 https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/how-elon-musk-broke-w... [1] - https://www.axios.com/2025/03/04/uaw-trump-tariffs-united-auto-workers https://www.axios.com/2025/03/04/uaw-trump-tariffs-united-au...
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- inetknght 1y ago"Your papers, please."
- yibg 1y agoA few steps later: tattoo them on so they're always with you
- layer8 1y agoHaving a tattoo will get you deported to El Salvador.
- fnordpiglet 1y agoWhat won’t?
- layer8 1y agoA $5 million dinner in Mar-a-Lago, probably.
- fnordpiglet 1y agoThe sword cuts two ways and once genie has been let out it’s hard to put back. A lot of DEI was political posturing for prior governments and this one has retroactively punished institutions globally for that. So, be careful whose table you eat at today as tomorrow is another day.
- mindslight 1y agoThe real answer is that we need to align incentives and encourage the rule of law by getting rid of this blanket sovereign immunity. Held by the government for 10 days while the government slowly figures out that they shouldn't be holding you? Here's a hefty check compensating for your time, emotional distress, and other damages. Obviously, the chance of this happening with Krasnov in office is a pipe dream, but regardless of where we're at we need to remember which direction is forwards.
- mulmen 1y agoAgree there should be consequences for this kind of mistake. If there’s no evidence of wrongdoing then there’s no reason to hold him. It’s worth noting the government didn’t figure it out. His family did. Without that he’d still be detained or already deported.
- stefan_ 1y agoYou just need to get back to the true meaning of bureaucracy: drone gov workers applying the law. Instead border officials were empowered to be mini dictators, a lot of power, no responsibility, and guess what, a bunch of them turn out to be dumb, malicious or raging racists.
- mindslight 1y agoBureaucracy has different failure modes, but failures still happen. The point is to make the government accountable for its own actions, which increases its legitimacy and sets up an incentive to minimize the amount of harm it causes.
- duped 1y agoDo you think better incentives would have stopped the Holocaust? Like not to go all slippery slope, but that's how ridiculous this sounds. You cannot fight fascism with fines and courts.
- mindslight 1y agoI think government accountability, which includes making government agents and agencies beholden to the laws they're purporting to uphold, would have helped prevent many of the frustrations and "both sides" arguments that made otherwise reasonable people shut off their reasoning and buy into the destructionist movement. As for the realities of our current situation, I acknowledged that in my last sentence.
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- jillyboel 1y agoWhat? > “He did say he was a U.S. citizen, but they didn't believe him,” Layva said.
- lawn 1y agoWe always return to victim blaming. Because it's hard to admit the truth; that there's something very wrong happening here.
- fnordpiglet 1y agoThe article is a bit confusing because the story they tell is ICE said he told them he was illegal but he maintains he never said that as he said he was a citizen. It’s the basic playbook of corrupt cops. ICE has demonstrably become out of control. I worry they are transforming into a lawless police force for the executive.
- stagezerowil 1y agoThey need to file a massive lawsuit against the US government, the agents that apprehended an innocent citizen and all parties involved. This is NOT OK.
- yibg 1y agoAlready plenty of lawsuits in place, with some already won. Question is, will there be any actual consequence. So far, it doesn't seem like it.
- ben_w 1y agoPerhaps. Supreme court preemptively reminding the government it has to stop deportations until court case is resolved has been reported as quite unusual. On the other hand, the only people who are empowered to punish Trump are terrified of him and the people he's pardoned.
- ViewTrick1002 1y agoThe Trump administration has already started to ignore the courts. Just waiting on a true flagship case to hit the Supreme Court and then being ignored for autocracy to start.
- Analemma_ 1y agoGo ahead, it'll get thrown out due to qualified (read: absolutely unconditional) immunity. And on the microscopic chance it doesn't, Trump will pardon everyone involved and talk about what heroic hardworking Americans they were for standing up to the woke mob. You best start believing in Russia-style mafiocracy, you're in one.
- ty6853 1y agoI was abused at this same port of entry, including being jailed as a USC. Prior at this same port, a woman was warrantlessly vaginally "searched" via manual manipulation at the direction of CBP. She lost. And I contacted her attorneys with my own case, they said I would lose too. But this was under Biden, so no one gave a shit. They don't give a shit unless it suits their political agenda.
- IceHegel 1y ago[flagged]
- inverted_flag 1y agoTurns out Reddit circa 2017 was completely right about Trump.
- inverted_flag 1y agoAssuming we have fair elections in the future, MAGA is screwed. Every demographic they made gains with last election is being targeted by this administration.
- sega_sai 1y agoWhat do you expect when ICE have quotas on arrests -- https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-mystery-of-ices-unidentifiable-arrests https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-mystery-of-ices-...
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- healsdata 1y agoI don't think this is your intent, but your comment reads like it's a mystery which side is lying and that we may never know the truth. Except it's obvious. There no reason, barring police coercion, that a citizen would say they're in the country illegally.
- searealist 1y agoI sincerely don’t know which side is lying, and I can certainly imagine situations someone might say that.
- __turbobrew__ 1y agoA similar situation was documented here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ponylQTj_gg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ponylQTj_gg&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t... On the one hand the guy in OP article didn’t have documentation and he illegally crossed the border, so what do you do as ICE? The guy claims he is a US citizen, but I bet you a lot of illegal immigrants without documentation claim they are a US citizen as well. Also there is no federal ID system, so how do you go about confirming if this person is a US citizen or not? It does seem reasonable that people within ICE custody should get the chance to call someone so that person can bring identification for ICE to confirm the identity, and that is maybe the missing part which lead to this situation.
- presto8 1y ago> On the one hand the guy in OP article didn’t have documentation and he illegally crossed the border, so what do you do as ICE? The guy claims he is a US citizen, but I bet you a lot of illegal immigrants without documentation claim they are a US citizen as well. For what it's worth, OP article says that the court documents claim he admitted to entering the country illegal. Guy himself denies this. > Court documents say a Border Patrol agent arrested Hermosillo “at or near Nogales, Arizona, without proper immigration documents” and that Hermosillo admitted to illegally entering the U.S. > Hermosillo and his girlfriend, who have a 9-month-old child together, live in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and are visiting family in Tucson. He says he has never been to Nogales.
- OutOfHere 1y agoThe person would have a social security number, and face photographs in various government databases. Verification ought to be easy peasy. They do it all the time for people abroad who lose their passports while traveling. Also, as you suggested yourself, even if he didn't have an ID on him, he would have had one at home.
- Slava_Propanei 1y ago[dead]
- fsckboy 1y ago> FTA: Court documents say a Border Patrol agent arrested Hermosillo “at or near Nogales, Arizona, without proper immigration documents” and that Hermosillo admitted to illegally entering the U.S. the article indicates he was visiting the area from where he lived in New Mexico and he was "lost", but it's not clear from the article whether he was seen crossing the border, or other evidence like that.
- jaybrendansmith 1y agoWe are taking back the 'Don't Tread On Me' flag and slogan. It now belongs to us.
- mktk1001 1y agoLand of the free, until a clown showed up and they gave it all away willingly.
- gortok 1y agoI would like to know how far from the “norm” ICE has deviated since January 19, 2025. It’s possible this is something that happens, and just wasn’t widely reported before now, but is because of the ethnophobic nature of our current administration. It’s also possible this is far outside of the norm and deserves more attention than it’s getting just on the face of its irregularity. I cannot find a non-AI generated (in my admittedly quick search) list of statistics of how many US citizens have been detained by ICE (and I do not trust that AI generated answers are accurate), so I am left with feelings, and my feelings indicate this would have been a news story no matter how rarely or often it happens, and therefore is worthy of discussion and reflection as to whether our border policies accurately reflect what we say our values are.
- commiepatrol 1y ago19 and no ID?
- ty6853 1y agoLol never been to the US/Mex crossing? Almost everytime I cross I see like 20 hispanic looking people with nothing but a birth certificate. They let them right across back into the US, meanwhile I used US passport and they locked me up, printed me, and interrogated me about where I was really born (I look super white and talk with an American accent). In my experience CBP doesn't actually care that much about whether you have ID, but if you don't it just makes it easier for them if they decide to pick you out as the person they want to torture for the day.