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I got the /s Europe is struggling with low birth rates. They wouldn’t do it here, as is right now it’s already a calamity.

Mountain_Skies 1y ago
What would that look like? Women complain it's unfair they have to be responsible for birth control in relationships. Now there's the ability for men to shoulder the responsibility too. Will voters, male and female, be ok with not taking the egalitarian path? Obviously governments are concerned about falling birthrates but they already have shown a willingness to continue policies that get them re-elected, even at the expense of birthrates.
- jocaal 1y ago
  I hope you replied to the wrong comment, I don't think women complaining about paying for birth control is a valid reason for sterilizing a population. Also condoms exist.
  - Mountain_Skies 1y ago
    While there are complaints about cost depending on location, most of the complains are about the side effects of the pill, which women endure and men don't.
    - jocaal 1y ago
      Ok, I'll just ignore the rest of the context of this thread. > the side effects of the pill, which women endure and men don't. women are free to choose to not take the pill or take it and accept the consequences. Also, there are many alternatives to the pill. Either way, I don't understand what point you are trying to make. You are just making random statements and ignoring the context of the discussion.
      - giantg2 1y ago
        "women are free to choose to not take the pill or take it and accept the consequences. Also, there are many alternatives to the pill." Yes, but some people want all the benefits with none of the side effects. Of course there is no perfect solution.
        jocaal 1y ago
        > Yes, but some people want all the benefits with none of the side effects Life is about making tradeoffs. There is no such thing as a free lunch, except while you are still a child.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Life is about making tradeoffs Progress is about eliminating them. We don’t need to trade off seafaring against scurvy, for example.
        giantg2 1y ago
        I would highly doubt this pill will eliminate tradeoffs. I'm sure the studies will find tradeoffs (side effects) just like virtually all medications.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > would highly doubt this pill will eliminate tradeoffs I would, too. But it increases the pool of options, which means that for some people it really is a win-win. Get the same as you’re getting now, but with fewer (or less meaningful to you) side effects.

Mountain_Skies 1y ago

What would that look like? Women complain it's unfair they have to be responsible for birth control in relationships. Now there's the ability for men to shoulder the responsibility too. Will voters, male and female, be ok with not taking the egalitarian path? Obviously governments are concerned about falling birthrates but they already have shown a willingness to continue policies that get them re-elected, even at the expense of birthrates.

jocaal 1y ago
I hope you replied to the wrong comment, I don't think women complaining about paying for birth control is a valid reason for sterilizing a population. Also condoms exist.
- Mountain_Skies 1y ago
  While there are complaints about cost depending on location, most of the complains are about the side effects of the pill, which women endure and men don't.
  - jocaal 1y ago
    Ok, I'll just ignore the rest of the context of this thread. > the side effects of the pill, which women endure and men don't. women are free to choose to not take the pill or take it and accept the consequences. Also, there are many alternatives to the pill. Either way, I don't understand what point you are trying to make. You are just making random statements and ignoring the context of the discussion.
    - giantg2 1y ago
      "women are free to choose to not take the pill or take it and accept the consequences. Also, there are many alternatives to the pill." Yes, but some people want all the benefits with none of the side effects. Of course there is no perfect solution.
      - jocaal 1y ago
        > Yes, but some people want all the benefits with none of the side effects Life is about making tradeoffs. There is no such thing as a free lunch, except while you are still a child.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Life is about making tradeoffs Progress is about eliminating them. We don’t need to trade off seafaring against scurvy, for example.
        giantg2 1y ago
        I would highly doubt this pill will eliminate tradeoffs. I'm sure the studies will find tradeoffs (side effects) just like virtually all medications.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > would highly doubt this pill will eliminate tradeoffs I would, too. But it increases the pool of options, which means that for some people it really is a win-win. Get the same as you’re getting now, but with fewer (or less meaningful to you) side effects.