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> Oh, I am obviously a racist, by glorifying indigineous teaching methods. No, by calling people "savages", a pejorative, based on their ethnicity. Much like

> Oh, I am obviously a racist, by glorifying indigineous teaching methods. No, by calling people "savages", a pejorative, based on their ethnicity. Much like how it would be racist to call people "enslavers" based on their ethnicity, or "cotton pickers" based on their ethnicity.

lukan 2y ago
Erm, english is not my first language, but I believe, savage stands for uncivilised person. So exactly what I wanted to talk about, when referencing "natural education". I did not talk about any ethnicity at all.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  It's considered super racist but also awkwardly old fashioned anyway even if it weren't just the former.
  - lukan 2y ago
    Ok, seriously. I did not talk about any ethnicity at all. How exactly can I made a racist statement here? Or were you simply trying to say, for you the term "savage" is strongly connected to racists and therefore inappropriate to use?
    - guerrilla 2y ago
      Calling indigenous people "savage" in English is almost universally considered racist.
      - lukan 2y ago
        Well, or just in your bubble? Besides, I called arbitary savage people savage. No concrete person that might feel insulted. And savage .. is not an insult in my bubble anyway btw.
        guerrilla 2y ago
        Like you said, you're not a native English speaker.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  Talking about a specific ethnicity is not required to be racist in English. If a person were to use the word "Nazi" to describe any person who lives in an area that was Nazi-controlled in 1942, this would be roughly equivalent in terms of the connotation and in terms of the reasonable indignation the recipient might feel. Furthermore, if you didn't have a specific ethnicity in mind, then when you're going off about "natural education", what you're really saying here is "all groups of people that are part of a group I consider 'uncivilized' are the same". Or alternately, if ethnicity isn't what you're using as your basis for calling groups of people and their children "uncivilized", what is?
  - lukan 2y ago
    "Or alternately, if ethnicity isn't what you're using as your basis for calling groups of people and their children "uncivilized", what is?" Culture. And this debate is equally fascinating and frustrating. I simply spoke of generic nomadic uncivilised hunters. And not at all in a bad way, just to illustrate a point. Because to my knowledge yes, nomadic hunting cultures do have similarities. Education seems to be one of those. Feel free to provide counter examples.

lukan 2y ago

Erm, english is not my first language, but I believe, savage stands for uncivilised person. So exactly what I wanted to talk about, when referencing "natural education". I did not talk about any ethnicity at all.

guerrilla 2y ago
It's considered super racist but also awkwardly old fashioned anyway even if it weren't just the former.
- lukan 2y ago
  Ok, seriously. I did not talk about any ethnicity at all. How exactly can I made a racist statement here? Or were you simply trying to say, for you the term "savage" is strongly connected to racists and therefore inappropriate to use?
  - guerrilla 2y ago
    Calling indigenous people "savage" in English is almost universally considered racist.
    - lukan 2y ago
      Well, or just in your bubble? Besides, I called arbitary savage people savage. No concrete person that might feel insulted. And savage .. is not an insult in my bubble anyway btw.
      - guerrilla 2y ago
        Like you said, you're not a native English speaker.
margalabargala 2y ago
Talking about a specific ethnicity is not required to be racist in English. If a person were to use the word "Nazi" to describe any person who lives in an area that was Nazi-controlled in 1942, this would be roughly equivalent in terms of the connotation and in terms of the reasonable indignation the recipient might feel. Furthermore, if you didn't have a specific ethnicity in mind, then when you're going off about "natural education", what you're really saying here is "all groups of people that are part of a group I consider 'uncivilized' are the same". Or alternately, if ethnicity isn't what you're using as your basis for calling groups of people and their children "uncivilized", what is?
- lukan 2y ago
  "Or alternately, if ethnicity isn't what you're using as your basis for calling groups of people and their children "uncivilized", what is?" Culture. And this debate is equally fascinating and frustrating. I simply spoke of generic nomadic uncivilised hunters. And not at all in a bad way, just to illustrate a point. Because to my knowledge yes, nomadic hunting cultures do have similarities. Education seems to be one of those. Feel free to provide counter examples.