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What's the alternative, fight until the last Ukrainian? And we can't even have a referendum there, to make sure this is what Ukrainian people really want?

throwaway290 1y ago
Once you start torturing somebody to make them do what you want, it is important to pause sometimes and ask if that's what they really want to continue hurting, or are they finally going to do/say what you want now. Every psycho knows that. You have goals, you are a busy man. after all you hate torture, you just have to do it to achieve your goals because some people don't want to bend to you voluntarily for some reason... Of course Ukrainian people don't want it. Who would ever want it? But you're asking the wrong people. Ukrainians don't have a choice. Someone who HAS a choice is one guy who sent troops to start it and since then continuously costs lives on both sides (and now also North Korean and Chinese lives too). He can stop at any time and he's not the one defending his home. So if you are so concerned about Ukrainians your alternative is to make that motherfucker go away forever. Hold a referendum, assassinate him, idk. You have my blessing.
- TylerLives 1y ago
  >Ukrainians don't have a choice. Why not? What in the life of an average Ukrainian will change if he is ruled by a bureaucrat from Moscow instead of a bureaucrat from Washington? Let's say that he prefers a bureaucrat from Washington. Does he prefer him so much that he's willing to die for this? In an ideal world Ukrainian people would have sovereignty, but this is not the world we live in. By refusing to accept this, we're pushing them to commit national suicide.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    > What in the life of an average Ukrainian will change if he is ruled by a bureaucrat from Moscow instead of a bureaucrat from Washington "ruled by" shows you are a russian troll. A democratic government serves the citizens. You're "ruled by" if you're in a country like russia. Ukrainians had their chosen government. > By refusing to accept this By posing like somebody from the west you are trying to get them to internalize as if they have no choice, but they do have a choice as per my other comment. Putler has a choice every day whether to continue or not, and west has a choice whether to stop him. It's Ukrainians who don't have a choice but to stop him. I don't think I need to engage further, it's pretty obvious and you are not saying anything I haven't heard before.

throwaway290 1y ago

Once you start torturing somebody to make them do what you want, it is important to pause sometimes and ask if that's what they really want to continue hurting, or are they finally going to do/say what you want now. Every psycho knows that. You have goals, you are a busy man. after all you hate torture, you just have to do it to achieve your goals because some people don't want to bend to you voluntarily for some reason... Of course Ukrainian people don't want it. Who would ever want it? But you're asking the wrong people. Ukrainians don't have a choice. Someone who HAS a choice is one guy who sent troops to start it and since then continuously costs lives on both sides (and now also North Korean and Chinese lives too). He can stop at any time and he's not the one defending his home. So if you are so concerned about Ukrainians your alternative is to make that motherfucker go away forever. Hold a referendum, assassinate him, idk. You have my blessing.

TylerLives 1y ago
>Ukrainians don't have a choice. Why not? What in the life of an average Ukrainian will change if he is ruled by a bureaucrat from Moscow instead of a bureaucrat from Washington? Let's say that he prefers a bureaucrat from Washington. Does he prefer him so much that he's willing to die for this? In an ideal world Ukrainian people would have sovereignty, but this is not the world we live in. By refusing to accept this, we're pushing them to commit national suicide.
- throwaway290 1y ago
  > What in the life of an average Ukrainian will change if he is ruled by a bureaucrat from Moscow instead of a bureaucrat from Washington "ruled by" shows you are a russian troll. A democratic government serves the citizens. You're "ruled by" if you're in a country like russia. Ukrainians had their chosen government. > By refusing to accept this By posing like somebody from the west you are trying to get them to internalize as if they have no choice, but they do have a choice as per my other comment. Putler has a choice every day whether to continue or not, and west has a choice whether to stop him. It's Ukrainians who don't have a choice but to stop him. I don't think I need to engage further, it's pretty obvious and you are not saying anything I haven't heard before.