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Different point of view: do you consider hunting in the wilderness to be difficult? I do, it requires being still in miserable conditions for a long time, bein
by lukan 2y ago
Different point of view: do you consider hunting in the wilderness to be difficult?
I do, it requires being still in miserable conditions for a long time, being cold, wet, mosquitos, and then usually still no success, but frustration.
But to my knowledge, no savage kid is in need of being forced to learn it.
"children sense your true passions and naturally want to join in"
And that is my experience as well. But if you stop childrens curiosity out of limited time and patience "Be quite now!" - stop them from helping, because they are not a help in the beginning and you are faster on your own - then of course they won't just start enthusiastically some years later doing with motivation whatever it is, you define as their arbitary target now.
- jblecanard 2y agoThere is a huge difference between pushing your kids to overcome their current limits and forcing them to do something they do not enjoy at all.
- lukan 2y agoThere is indeed a difference between giving a slight push and "forcing" which is what TFA is talking about.
- guerrilla 2y ago> But to my knowledge, no savage kid is in need of being forced to learn it Uhh then your knowledge is very limited because that is rather well documented. Also, why are you saying "savage" like an 18th century racist? Is that in fashion again?
- lukan 2y agoOh, I am obviously a racist, by glorifying indigineous teaching methods. But otherwise can you show, where this is documented? The natives tribes where I have some knowledge, don't force their kids to learn in the sense that is talked about here. No need to - the whole culture is about becoming a good hunter (for male individuals). So indeed lots of peer pressure, but no individual forcing.
- margalabargala 2y ago> Oh, I am obviously a racist, by glorifying indigineous teaching methods. No, by calling people "savages", a pejorative, based on their ethnicity. Much like how it would be racist to call people "enslavers" based on their ethnicity, or "cotton pickers" based on their ethnicity.
- lukan 2y agoErm, english is not my first language, but I believe, savage stands for uncivilised person. So exactly what I wanted to talk about, when referencing "natural education". I did not talk about any ethnicity at all.
- guerrilla 2y agoIt's considered super racist but also awkwardly old fashioned anyway even if it weren't just the former.
- lukan 2y agoOk, seriously. I did not talk about any ethnicity at all. How exactly can I made a racist statement here? Or were you simply trying to say, for you the term "savage" is strongly connected to racists and therefore inappropriate to use?
- scandox 2y ago[flagged]
- gyomu 2y agoKids tend to want to partake of their own initiative in activities that are 1) physical, and 2) that they see adults themselves do. Hunting in wilderness is a good example; so are sports, cooking, crafts, etc. But unfortunately not all important activities that kids need to learn to become well adjusted adults in our modern societies fit those 2 criteria. Point 2) can be hacked to an extent by modeling the behavior yourself - eg kids who see adults read books are more likely to want to read themselves.
- t0bia_s 2y agoOr staring to smartphone. Then, suddenly, we are surprised why our kids do same.
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