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I suppose, but these "default" tools have all had their place in the market because Emacs or Vim are evidently not meeting demand. Which gets to my point that t

I suppose, but these "default" tools have all had their place in the market because Emacs or Vim are evidently not meeting demand. Which gets to my point that telling someone to "just switch" is not very helpful.

acomjean 1y ago
I use Emacs when I’m code editing (especially when sshing). I love it but. The problem with emacs and vim to my mind is they are hard to configure. Like I’ve edited a .eMacs file but it’s in some lisp and adding plug ins isn’t intuitive. Maybe it’s better now, but it’s confusing. I use plain eMacs as distributed by my distro.. I use vs code annd jet brains too and it’s fairly straight forward to add in any plugin for this or that. They’re discoverable too. I don’t use a ton but some are helpful.
- petre 1y ago
  I bet it has some plugin manager like Vim (for which I use pathogen). I also use VSCodium on the desktop simce Atom was abandoned and Vim when editing over ssh. I wanted to like Zed but everything is now infested with AI and the packaging sucks. I just want a nice looking UI desktop editor with Sublime style multiple cursors and without the BS. Git, Copilot etc is deactivated in my VSCode, I don't even use its terminal. But it keeps breaking things or adding crap. Of course, it needs to be open spurce and free. They can charge all they want for plugins and AI which I don't use.
anal_reactor 1y ago
The biggest advantage of VSCode is that it "just works". The UI is very intuitive, you can just install it and start coding. Meanwhile you can make a whole academic career out of "how to set up vim and Emacs", which is indeed fun in its own way, but it's not what most people need. To give some kind of comparison, I love getting lost in C++ documentation and writing complex templates. It's a form of art. But when I want to actually write a program that does something, I do it in python, because it allows me to focus on the problem, rather than the tool. I don't see this problem being resolved in near future. The core philosophy being vim and Emacs is incompatible with the idea of IDE that "just works".
xigoi 1y ago
Emacs and Vim serve the demand for a programmable editor for power users very well. They just aren’t in the market for a low-effort editor for users who don’t have their own preferences.

acomjean 1y ago

I use Emacs when I’m code editing (especially when sshing). I love it but. The problem with emacs and vim to my mind is they are hard to configure. Like I’ve edited a .eMacs file but it’s in some lisp and adding plug ins isn’t intuitive. Maybe it’s better now, but it’s confusing. I use plain eMacs as distributed by my distro.. I use vs code annd jet brains too and it’s fairly straight forward to add in any plugin for this or that. They’re discoverable too. I don’t use a ton but some are helpful.

petre 1y ago
I bet it has some plugin manager like Vim (for which I use pathogen). I also use VSCodium on the desktop simce Atom was abandoned and Vim when editing over ssh. I wanted to like Zed but everything is now infested with AI and the packaging sucks. I just want a nice looking UI desktop editor with Sublime style multiple cursors and without the BS. Git, Copilot etc is deactivated in my VSCode, I don't even use its terminal. But it keeps breaking things or adding crap. Of course, it needs to be open spurce and free. They can charge all they want for plugins and AI which I don't use.

anal_reactor 1y ago

The biggest advantage of VSCode is that it "just works". The UI is very intuitive, you can just install it and start coding. Meanwhile you can make a whole academic career out of "how to set up vim and Emacs", which is indeed fun in its own way, but it's not what most people need. To give some kind of comparison, I love getting lost in C++ documentation and writing complex templates. It's a form of art. But when I want to actually write a program that does something, I do it in python, because it allows me to focus on the problem, rather than the tool. I don't see this problem being resolved in near future. The core philosophy being vim and Emacs is incompatible with the idea of IDE that "just works".

xigoi 1y ago

Emacs and Vim serve the demand for a programmable editor for power users very well. They just aren’t in the market for a low-effort editor for users who don’t have their own preferences.