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Just install Emacs. It respects your freedom, and it respects your rights.

AStonesThrow 2y ago
Since Emacs is fully programmable, fully connected with virtually no “permissions” system, and there is no structure to scan, validate, or flag third-party extensions/elisp code, I would suggest that it stands as a prime vector for malware!
- wolvesechoes 2y ago
  I would suggest that it stands as a prime vector for malware! So still better than VS Code that is malware by itself.
- owebmaster 2y ago
  > I would suggest that it stands as a prime vector for malware! I would suggest you send an email to rms@gnu.org, he might disagree.
  - AStonesThrow 2y ago
    I have no idea who may receive or read his email messages. For a long time in the early 90s, he set no password on his accounts at MIT. Anyone could, and did, log in to rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu and it was basically a "public access system". Richard Stallman fundamentally rejects information security principles and practices. He absolutely hates it when systems are secure and impregnable. Richard Stallman is an extremist zealot; he's extraordinarily idealistic, but his ideals themselves are unrealistic for real-world operations. Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42256409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42256409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23421738 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23421738 The GNU Project indeed itemizes a few "known security risks" in their own FAQ: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Security-risks-with-Emacs.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Sec...
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      Okay that seems needlessly obtuse. I think yall would get along actually based on the tone and content of your replies.
      - AStonesThrow 2y ago
        Did they not precisely validate what I wrote? GNU themselves says caveat emptor when installing 3rd party code. There’s no trusted path and no validation, and they admit it.
cobalttallow 2y ago
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RestartKernel 2y ago
Love it or hate it, VSCode has become the "default" for the ecosystem at large, especially for Web development. For me personally, moving away would end up costing me more time (in getting alternative text editors to work with my tooling, or doing without) than it takes me to dismiss these popups. Doesn't take away from how awful it is that a corporation usurped the ecosystem like this, but I am not idealistic enough to fight the current.
- t-writescode 2y ago
  I guess it's just more reason for me to continue to be happy that I mostly use IntelliJ with occasional trips into Fleet (their VSCode competitor) addendum: it really sucks when a free product that has positioned itself as the defacto product starts to get obnoxious about taking your data (logging in) and charging you for things (Copilot), especially when it's a multinational megacorp who is probably creating and distributing such a product to gain market dominance and crowd out its competitors. (add: this part of the sentence is probably meaner than it needs to be. The people that made VSCode probably wanted to just make a really nice Atom enhancement that worked well with .net. This stuff has been business demands.) More addendum: If Microsoft didn't want to be pushy about this, they could have included the option in a Version Update announcement on a new tab or something. Wherever release notes and release announcements are normally put.
  - quickslowdown 2y ago
    I don't think I've heard of Fleet but I'm definitely interested! Do you know if there's any info on what the pricing will be like when it's out of preview? I'm not against paying for my editor, but I also don't love the idea of a subscription and having to sign in and stuff.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    If notifications for products from the vendor are ads, then JetBrains does ads just like Microsoft. Lets talk about JetBrains pushing AI as well? Initially it couldn't even be disabled.
- dingnuts 2y ago
rk06 2y ago
I have attempted it and couldn't make it work. Maybe i lacked the grit, and patience, or maybe emacs is not meant for beginners or windows. However, there is a need for docs on how to move from vscode to emacs.
- herewulf 2y ago
  Did you try an Emacs distribution like Doom Emacs or Space Emacs? Or did you try vanilla Emacs? The latter is not going to give you a very good IDE type experience without said grit, etc, so I recommend the former. Also, there are lots of ways to run on Windows other than native such as WSL, Linux VM, Docker, etc. Though I ran the Portacle distribution quite successfully on native Windows once (when it was my only choice).
  - rk06 2y ago
    I tried standard emacs and space emacs. What tripped me most was keybindings(ctrl c doesn't work!?) and lack of command prompt (no idea if it didn't exist or needed plugins) There were few more pain points of "thinking in buffer" instead of files. All I can say is that entire experience made me appreciate the OOB experience of vscode.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Back in the day XEmacs used to have great Windows support, I dunno about standard Emacs.
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Since Emacs is fully programmable, fully connected with virtually no “permissions” system, and there is no structure to scan, validate, or flag third-party extensions/elisp code, I would suggest that it stands as a prime vector for malware!

wolvesechoes 2y ago
I would suggest that it stands as a prime vector for malware! So still better than VS Code that is malware by itself.
owebmaster 2y ago
> I would suggest that it stands as a prime vector for malware! I would suggest you send an email to rms@gnu.org, he might disagree.
- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  I have no idea who may receive or read his email messages. For a long time in the early 90s, he set no password on his accounts at MIT. Anyone could, and did, log in to rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu and it was basically a "public access system". Richard Stallman fundamentally rejects information security principles and practices. He absolutely hates it when systems are secure and impregnable. Richard Stallman is an extremist zealot; he's extraordinarily idealistic, but his ideals themselves are unrealistic for real-world operations. Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42256409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42256409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23421738 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23421738 The GNU Project indeed itemizes a few "known security risks" in their own FAQ: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Security-risks-with-Emacs.html https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Sec...
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    Okay that seems needlessly obtuse. I think yall would get along actually based on the tone and content of your replies.
    - AStonesThrow 2y ago
      Did they not precisely validate what I wrote? GNU themselves says caveat emptor when installing 3rd party code. There’s no trusted path and no validation, and they admit it.

cobalttallow 2y ago

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RestartKernel 2y ago

Love it or hate it, VSCode has become the "default" for the ecosystem at large, especially for Web development. For me personally, moving away would end up costing me more time (in getting alternative text editors to work with my tooling, or doing without) than it takes me to dismiss these popups. Doesn't take away from how awful it is that a corporation usurped the ecosystem like this, but I am not idealistic enough to fight the current.

t-writescode 2y ago
I guess it's just more reason for me to continue to be happy that I mostly use IntelliJ with occasional trips into Fleet (their VSCode competitor) addendum: it really sucks when a free product that has positioned itself as the defacto product starts to get obnoxious about taking your data (logging in) and charging you for things (Copilot), especially when it's a multinational megacorp who is probably creating and distributing such a product to gain market dominance and crowd out its competitors. (add: this part of the sentence is probably meaner than it needs to be. The people that made VSCode probably wanted to just make a really nice Atom enhancement that worked well with .net. This stuff has been business demands.) More addendum: If Microsoft didn't want to be pushy about this, they could have included the option in a Version Update announcement on a new tab or something. Wherever release notes and release announcements are normally put.
- quickslowdown 2y ago
  I don't think I've heard of Fleet but I'm definitely interested! Do you know if there's any info on what the pricing will be like when it's out of preview? I'm not against paying for my editor, but I also don't love the idea of a subscription and having to sign in and stuff.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  If notifications for products from the vendor are ads, then JetBrains does ads just like Microsoft. Lets talk about JetBrains pushing AI as well? Initially it couldn't even be disabled.
dingnuts 2y ago

rk06 2y ago

I have attempted it and couldn't make it work. Maybe i lacked the grit, and patience, or maybe emacs is not meant for beginners or windows. However, there is a need for docs on how to move from vscode to emacs.

herewulf 2y ago
Did you try an Emacs distribution like Doom Emacs or Space Emacs? Or did you try vanilla Emacs? The latter is not going to give you a very good IDE type experience without said grit, etc, so I recommend the former. Also, there are lots of ways to run on Windows other than native such as WSL, Linux VM, Docker, etc. Though I ran the Portacle distribution quite successfully on native Windows once (when it was my only choice).
- rk06 2y ago
  I tried standard emacs and space emacs. What tripped me most was keybindings(ctrl c doesn't work!?) and lack of command prompt (no idea if it didn't exist or needed plugins) There were few more pain points of "thinking in buffer" instead of files. All I can say is that entire experience made me appreciate the OOB experience of vscode.
pjmlp 2y ago
Back in the day XEmacs used to have great Windows support, I dunno about standard Emacs.

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