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>> As far as I know, it's never been banned in the US The question is not if it is banned. The question is if it is general circulation in public libraries.

>> As far as I know, it's never been banned in the US The question is not if it is banned. The question is if it is general circulation in public libraries. This is motte and bailey. If a school library decides not to include a book in their library, that's curation, if it is a book you don't like. If it is a book you do like, it is censorship. If you walk into your public library and browse the shelves, is the Anarchist Cookbook there? Mein Kampf? If they're not, does that mean they are banned? I go to my public library quite often, and the books I am interested in are most often not on the shelves there, and the books that are on the shelves there have a political slant towards a politics that I detest. Librarians are in fact dangerous. Now, that doesn't mean the books I want to read are banned, I have to put a hold on them from the stacks at central and they will ship them over, but they will never be on display at my local library. They're not banned. But the books on display at my local branch library are curated by dangerous librarians I want nothing to do with.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
I would much rather have a person who has gone to school to study childhood education and library science choosing books for the library, than randos trying to force their religion on everybody else's kids.
- rufus_foreman 2y ago
  I'm an adult. I don't need someone who has studied childhood education to tell me what books to read, for fucks sake.
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    Sorry, I was taking about school libraries. For your public library, if they get requests for books, they get the books. Lots of people want to read fantasy romance, so those are the books they buy. Hardly anybody requests the anarchist's cookbook, so they rely on interlibrary loan to get it when someone wants it. They buy the books that are popular. This isn't rocket science. Just about any book you want is going to be available. This is what libraries do.
    - rufus_foreman 2y ago
      >> Just about any book you want is going to be available. This is what libraries do There's a difference between the books that are available and the books that are on display. I can make a request and put a hold and get a book from the stacks at the central library. That's not something the typical browser of books on a library shelf is going to do. I do it now, I never did growing up. What was on the shelves was the Overton window for me growing up. I break windows now, now I can consider any viewpoints I choose. Go get me the book from the stacks, librarian. What librarians do today is to promote propaganda for a certain cause. It's just so self destructive of them to do that, but that's what they do. A change is going to come.
      - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
        Could you be more specific? What cause do you think they are propagandizing? How big does this conspiracy go? And when do you think it started?
soulofmischief 2y ago
At my local public library, I could request books to be bought and put on the shelves. I was allowed to host open mic nights in middle school where I and other friends would read poetry and whatever else, free of censorship. Civil engagement through the library was easier than a lot of other public institutions, because while librarians curate, they also have the job of catering to their audience, and respecting requests. The library became a sanctuary for me after school as it meant I could avoid abuse back home and have a less surveilled access to information such as books, wikis, news, protest music, games, etc. which I was able to later take back home or to other places and consume without fear of reprimand. It was also a third place, where I could meet people, gather people and engage with my community. > They're not banned. But the books on display at my local branch library are curated by dangerous librarians I want nothing to do with. Did you persistently try to civically engage with your local library over time and form a personal, positive relationship with the librarians? If so, and if denied, did you seek restitution in city hall or by contacting local congressmen? Or are you just complaining?
- rufus_foreman 2y ago
  >> I was allowed to host open mic nights in middle school where I and other friends would read poetry and whatever else, free of censorship That's nice. Keep it down though, we're trying to read books in here. I'm beginning to suspect we have completely incompatible ideas of what a library is.
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    A public library is a third space where ideas can be accessed and exchanged, and a focal point where the community can civically engage. In the past, that has mostly meant books, which have been a great way of archiving things, but many public libraries also have rooms for listening to music, watching films, or at least renting them to take home. Many public libraries also welcome and encourage open mics if they have space to host them without affecting others. In my case, it was a small library in a small town, so I hosted the open mic after hours with the grace of the librarians who worked there, who were more than happy to encourage literacy through poetry.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago

I would much rather have a person who has gone to school to study childhood education and library science choosing books for the library, than randos trying to force their religion on everybody else's kids.

rufus_foreman 2y ago
I'm an adult. I don't need someone who has studied childhood education to tell me what books to read, for fucks sake.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  Sorry, I was taking about school libraries. For your public library, if they get requests for books, they get the books. Lots of people want to read fantasy romance, so those are the books they buy. Hardly anybody requests the anarchist's cookbook, so they rely on interlibrary loan to get it when someone wants it. They buy the books that are popular. This isn't rocket science. Just about any book you want is going to be available. This is what libraries do.
  - rufus_foreman 2y ago
    >> Just about any book you want is going to be available. This is what libraries do There's a difference between the books that are available and the books that are on display. I can make a request and put a hold and get a book from the stacks at the central library. That's not something the typical browser of books on a library shelf is going to do. I do it now, I never did growing up. What was on the shelves was the Overton window for me growing up. I break windows now, now I can consider any viewpoints I choose. Go get me the book from the stacks, librarian. What librarians do today is to promote propaganda for a certain cause. It's just so self destructive of them to do that, but that's what they do. A change is going to come.
    - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
      Could you be more specific? What cause do you think they are propagandizing? How big does this conspiracy go? And when do you think it started?

soulofmischief 2y ago

At my local public library, I could request books to be bought and put on the shelves. I was allowed to host open mic nights in middle school where I and other friends would read poetry and whatever else, free of censorship. Civil engagement through the library was easier than a lot of other public institutions, because while librarians curate, they also have the job of catering to their audience, and respecting requests. The library became a sanctuary for me after school as it meant I could avoid abuse back home and have a less surveilled access to information such as books, wikis, news, protest music, games, etc. which I was able to later take back home or to other places and consume without fear of reprimand. It was also a third place, where I could meet people, gather people and engage with my community. > They're not banned. But the books on display at my local branch library are curated by dangerous librarians I want nothing to do with. Did you persistently try to civically engage with your local library over time and form a personal, positive relationship with the librarians? If so, and if denied, did you seek restitution in city hall or by contacting local congressmen? Or are you just complaining?

rufus_foreman 2y ago
>> I was allowed to host open mic nights in middle school where I and other friends would read poetry and whatever else, free of censorship That's nice. Keep it down though, we're trying to read books in here. I'm beginning to suspect we have completely incompatible ideas of what a library is.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  A public library is a third space where ideas can be accessed and exchanged, and a focal point where the community can civically engage. In the past, that has mostly meant books, which have been a great way of archiving things, but many public libraries also have rooms for listening to music, watching films, or at least renting them to take home. Many public libraries also welcome and encourage open mics if they have space to host them without affecting others. In my case, it was a small library in a small town, so I hosted the open mic after hours with the grace of the librarians who worked there, who were more than happy to encourage literacy through poetry.