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>"Tesla odometer mileage vs actual miles discrepancy" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/10

by gruez 2y ago

>"Tesla odometer mileage vs actual miles discrepancy" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome... This is just more of the same - vague anecdotes. Why dig up 2 year old reddit posts to try to prove your case, when you can definitively prove it with a day's worth of test drives? >"...Besides the disappointing result in the range test, the Tesla Model 3 had quite an unusual issue–its onboard trip meter was way off and essentially lied about the distance covered...." - https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa... Is "trip meter" referring to the odometer, or the "estimated range" meter that's also displayed?

belter 2y ago
Now interpret :-) "...lied about the distance covered...."
- gruez 2y ago
  Given this hinges entirely on what is meant by "trip meter", and the little tidbit is only mentioned in passing with no elaboration, I think it's fine to question what exactly the author meant. That quote works equally as well if they were complaining about the range meter rather than the odometer. If the range meter said there was 200 mi left, then said 100 mi left after only driving 60 mi, I'd be pretty miffed, and might even claimed that it "lied".
  - belter 2y ago
    https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ "...This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures. These methodologies influence not just warranty expiration timelines, service monetization, insurance premium structures, leasing mileage penalties, resale valuations, residual-value forecasting, and regulatory credit calculations but also underpin battery health indicators, vehicle range, recorded energy efficiency, and much more. Consequently, Tesla's business model exhibits a unique systemic reliance on odometer accuracy, rendering mileage reporting a fundamental rather than peripheral concern..." -
    - gruez 2y ago
      >This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures This is the "they have a patent!" argument all over again. Just because such algorithms exist, doesn't mean they're used in the odometers. It's not even suspicious that they have such algorithms. Batteries are far more complicated than a fuel tank, so even if they weren't trying to fudge odometer ratings, you'd expect them to come up with such algorithms. Finally, you still don't have a response to my main objection: why haven't done an empirical test? They spent all this time making data requests, looking up tesla patents, and digging up old reddit posts, but can't spend a day driving a tesla around to compare what the odometer says vs google maps/another car. What gives?
      - belter 2y ago
        It's not just about the patent: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard How difficult is to admit the man is not Tony Stark, he is just a psycho...
        gruez 2y ago
        >It's not just about the patent: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard This is about the third time I brought this objection, but you still haven't addressed it: "Finally, you still don't have a response to my main objection: why haven't done an empirical test? They spent all this time making data requests, looking up tesla patents, and digging up old reddit posts, but can't spend a day driving a tesla around to compare what the odometer says vs google maps/another car. What gives?" >How difficult is to admit the man is not Tony Stark, he is just a psycho... Quit moving the goalposts.
        belter 2y ago
        Empirical tests did not catch diesel gate. As I mentioned before plaintiff has low chances. The court will never get their hands on the source code, and Tesla can just roll one of their overnight updates. Also per the argument in the lawsuit, it get's worst as you get close to warranty expiration. Maybe there is a surprise witness they did not disclosed yet.

by gruez 2y ago

belter 2y ago

Now interpret :-) "...lied about the distance covered...."

gruez 2y ago
Given this hinges entirely on what is meant by "trip meter", and the little tidbit is only mentioned in passing with no elaboration, I think it's fine to question what exactly the author meant. That quote works equally as well if they were complaining about the range meter rather than the odometer. If the range meter said there was 200 mi left, then said 100 mi left after only driving 60 mi, I'd be pretty miffed, and might even claimed that it "lied".
- belter 2y ago
  https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ "...This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures. These methodologies influence not just warranty expiration timelines, service monetization, insurance premium structures, leasing mileage penalties, resale valuations, residual-value forecasting, and regulatory credit calculations but also underpin battery health indicators, vehicle range, recorded energy efficiency, and much more. Consequently, Tesla's business model exhibits a unique systemic reliance on odometer accuracy, rendering mileage reporting a fundamental rather than peripheral concern..." -
  - gruez 2y ago
    >This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures This is the "they have a patent!" argument all over again. Just because such algorithms exist, doesn't mean they're used in the odometers. It's not even suspicious that they have such algorithms. Batteries are far more complicated than a fuel tank, so even if they weren't trying to fudge odometer ratings, you'd expect them to come up with such algorithms. Finally, you still don't have a response to my main objection: why haven't done an empirical test? They spent all this time making data requests, looking up tesla patents, and digging up old reddit posts, but can't spend a day driving a tesla around to compare what the odometer says vs google maps/another car. What gives?
    - belter 2y ago
      It's not just about the patent: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard How difficult is to admit the man is not Tony Stark, he is just a psycho...
      - gruez 2y ago
        >It's not just about the patent: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard This is about the third time I brought this objection, but you still haven't addressed it: "Finally, you still don't have a response to my main objection: why haven't done an empirical test? They spent all this time making data requests, looking up tesla patents, and digging up old reddit posts, but can't spend a day driving a tesla around to compare what the odometer says vs google maps/another car. What gives?" >How difficult is to admit the man is not Tony Stark, he is just a psycho... Quit moving the goalposts.
        belter 2y ago
        Empirical tests did not catch diesel gate. As I mentioned before plaintiff has low chances. The court will never get their hands on the source code, and Tesla can just roll one of their overnight updates. Also per the argument in the lawsuit, it get's worst as you get close to warranty expiration. Maybe there is a surprise witness they did not disclosed yet.