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I somehow doubt that Mein Kampf or playboy magazines would feature at "banned book week."

by pclmulqdq 2y ago

Der_Einzige 2y ago
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- soulofmischief 2y ago
  I think both texts should be available to those who request them, but this cannot happen in a vacuum. We have to teach important context to our children early on, expose them to systems of ethics and overall ensure that they go into it understanding why Marquis de Sade was an absolute psychopath and why his writings must be read through the proper lens. And Lolita is a tragedy, a story about flawed characters. Supporting access to the novel and supporting child abuse are two wildly orthogonal stances.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    The problem is that teaching marquis de Sade to young boys will make them coomer horny terrorists (it’s literally extreme graphic sex/erotica meant to arouse the reader) to the girls in their class. School is not the place for coomer fiction, or pedo fiction. Teaching Lolita is child abuse because for anyone who actually went through that experience, they have to not only relive it, but see a quasi justification for it through the fact that this book is considered “great”. It’s just like that movie hard candy. It’s all pedophilic and shouldn’t be taught.
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      No one has to or should teach either of these books to children. As I have already stated elsewhere in this thread, this is in argument about restriction, not compulsion. You can not make something compulsory while also not restricting access to it.
      - Der_Einzige 2y ago
        Lolita is a commonly taught book in public high schools all across the United States. I personally experienced them teaching this garbage book. The downvotes on my original post are gaslighters who want to act like the education system is what it should be. It isn’t.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I didn't downvote but I'm curious why you've hyperfixated on this book over the last two weeks or so
soulofmischief 2y ago
Is there a specific point that you're trying to make?
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  I thought it was clear that the point is that "banned book week" is not about exposing people to fringe materials. It's about exposing people to the things that the librarian/teacher approve of but the community doesn't/didn't agree. The real banned books are the ones that don't even show up at a sanctioned "banned book week." That list of books is long.
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    > I thought it was clear that the point is that "banned book week" is not about exposing people to fringe materials. It's about exposing people to the things that the librarian/teacher approve of but the community doesn't/didn't agree. Yes, but that was already a given, and is the entire topic of this thread. Librarians in many cases became involved in the struggle for access to information even if "the community" didn't agree. I was raised in an extremely backwards, religiously zealous, racist, totalitarian-supporting Deep South state and never once have I thought, "I better do what the community thinks". > The real banned books are the ones that don't even show up at a sanctioned "banned book week." That list of books is long. Pat yourself on the back, you've discovered that librarians have to make compromises in order to continually push the envelope and not undo all of the progress that has been made. This is called politics.
    - pclmulqdq 2y ago
      The whole idea that "banned book week" is a time when students learn to think for themselves is silly, then. It's merely a time when one authority figure who doesn't like another authority figure grabs the reigns. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
      - soulofmischief 2y ago
bongodongobob 2y ago
Ok
streptomycin 2y ago
I wish I could remember the link, but there was some website where it would accept uploads of banned books and host them so people could freely read them. It had its own list of banned books that it wouldn't accept, The Turner Diaries and stuff like that.

I somehow doubt that Mein Kampf or playboy magazines would feature at "banned book week."

Der_Einzige 2y ago

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soulofmischief 2y ago
I think both texts should be available to those who request them, but this cannot happen in a vacuum. We have to teach important context to our children early on, expose them to systems of ethics and overall ensure that they go into it understanding why Marquis de Sade was an absolute psychopath and why his writings must be read through the proper lens. And Lolita is a tragedy, a story about flawed characters. Supporting access to the novel and supporting child abuse are two wildly orthogonal stances.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  The problem is that teaching marquis de Sade to young boys will make them coomer horny terrorists (it’s literally extreme graphic sex/erotica meant to arouse the reader) to the girls in their class. School is not the place for coomer fiction, or pedo fiction. Teaching Lolita is child abuse because for anyone who actually went through that experience, they have to not only relive it, but see a quasi justification for it through the fact that this book is considered “great”. It’s just like that movie hard candy. It’s all pedophilic and shouldn’t be taught.
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    No one has to or should teach either of these books to children. As I have already stated elsewhere in this thread, this is in argument about restriction, not compulsion. You can not make something compulsory while also not restricting access to it.
    - Der_Einzige 2y ago
      Lolita is a commonly taught book in public high schools all across the United States. I personally experienced them teaching this garbage book. The downvotes on my original post are gaslighters who want to act like the education system is what it should be. It isn’t.
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        I didn't downvote but I'm curious why you've hyperfixated on this book over the last two weeks or so

soulofmischief 2y ago

Is there a specific point that you're trying to make?

pclmulqdq 2y ago
I thought it was clear that the point is that "banned book week" is not about exposing people to fringe materials. It's about exposing people to the things that the librarian/teacher approve of but the community doesn't/didn't agree. The real banned books are the ones that don't even show up at a sanctioned "banned book week." That list of books is long.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  > I thought it was clear that the point is that "banned book week" is not about exposing people to fringe materials. It's about exposing people to the things that the librarian/teacher approve of but the community doesn't/didn't agree. Yes, but that was already a given, and is the entire topic of this thread. Librarians in many cases became involved in the struggle for access to information even if "the community" didn't agree. I was raised in an extremely backwards, religiously zealous, racist, totalitarian-supporting Deep South state and never once have I thought, "I better do what the community thinks". > The real banned books are the ones that don't even show up at a sanctioned "banned book week." That list of books is long. Pat yourself on the back, you've discovered that librarians have to make compromises in order to continually push the envelope and not undo all of the progress that has been made. This is called politics.
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    The whole idea that "banned book week" is a time when students learn to think for themselves is silly, then. It's merely a time when one authority figure who doesn't like another authority figure grabs the reigns. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    - soulofmischief 2y ago

bongodongobob 2y ago

streptomycin 2y ago

I wish I could remember the link, but there was some website where it would accept uploads of banned books and host them so people could freely read them. It had its own list of banned books that it wouldn't accept, The Turner Diaries and stuff like that.