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The lawsuit has low chances of succeeding but not on the merits. It exposes a regulatory gray area, both in the US and in the EU. Existing laws focus on tamperi

by belter 2y ago

The lawsuit has low chances of succeeding but not on the merits. It exposes a regulatory gray area, both in the US and in the EU. Existing laws focus on tampering, not manufacturer accuracy. "Tesla odometer mileage vs actual miles discrepancy" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odometer_mileage_vs_actual_miles_discrepancy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome... "...Besides the disappointing result in the range test, the Tesla Model 3 had quite an unusual issue–its onboard trip meter was way off and essentially lied about the distance covered...." - https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norway-2025/ https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43736091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43736091

gruez 2y ago
>"Tesla odometer mileage vs actual miles discrepancy" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome... This is just more of the same - vague anecdotes. Why dig up 2 year old reddit posts to try to prove your case, when you can definitively prove it with a day's worth of test drives? >"...Besides the disappointing result in the range test, the Tesla Model 3 had quite an unusual issue–its onboard trip meter was way off and essentially lied about the distance covered...." - https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa... Is "trip meter" referring to the odometer, or the "estimated range" meter that's also displayed?
- belter 2y ago
  Now interpret :-) "...lied about the distance covered...."
  - gruez 2y ago
    Given this hinges entirely on what is meant by "trip meter", and the little tidbit is only mentioned in passing with no elaboration, I think it's fine to question what exactly the author meant. That quote works equally as well if they were complaining about the range meter rather than the odometer. If the range meter said there was 200 mi left, then said 100 mi left after only driving 60 mi, I'd be pretty miffed, and might even claimed that it "lied".
    - belter 2y ago
      https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ "...This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures. These methodologies influence not just warranty expiration timelines, service monetization, insurance premium structures, leasing mileage penalties, resale valuations, residual-value forecasting, and regulatory credit calculations but also underpin battery health indicators, vehicle range, recorded energy efficiency, and much more. Consequently, Tesla's business model exhibits a unique systemic reliance on odometer accuracy, rendering mileage reporting a fundamental rather than peripheral concern..." -
      - gruez 2y ago
        >This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures This is the "they have a patent!" argument all over again. Just because such algorithms exist, doesn't mean they're used in the odometers. It's not even suspicious that they have such algorithms. Batteries are far more complicated than a fuel tank, so even if they weren't trying to fudge odometer ratings, you'd expect them to come up with such algorithms. Finally, you still don't have a response to my main objection: why haven't done an empirical test? They spent all this time making data requests, looking up tesla patents, and digging up old reddit posts, but can't spend a day driving a tesla around to compare what the odometer says vs google maps/another car. What gives?
        belter 2y ago
        It's not just about the patent: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard How difficult is to admit the man is not Tony Stark, he is just a psycho...
        2y ago

by belter 2y ago

gruez 2y ago

>"Tesla odometer mileage vs actual miles discrepancy" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome... This is just more of the same - vague anecdotes. Why dig up 2 year old reddit posts to try to prove your case, when you can definitively prove it with a day's worth of test drives? >"...Besides the disappointing result in the range test, the Tesla Model 3 had quite an unusual issue–its onboard trip meter was way off and essentially lied about the distance covered...." - https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa https://insideevs.com/news/747548/ev-winter-range-test-norwa... Is "trip meter" referring to the odometer, or the "estimated range" meter that's also displayed?

belter 2y ago
Now interpret :-) "...lied about the distance covered...."
- gruez 2y ago
  Given this hinges entirely on what is meant by "trip meter", and the little tidbit is only mentioned in passing with no elaboration, I think it's fine to question what exactly the author meant. That quote works equally as well if they were complaining about the range meter rather than the odometer. If the range meter said there was 200 mi left, then said 100 mi left after only driving 60 mi, I'd be pretty miffed, and might even claimed that it "lied".
  - belter 2y ago
    https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/ "...This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures. These methodologies influence not just warranty expiration timelines, service monetization, insurance premium structures, leasing mileage penalties, resale valuations, residual-value forecasting, and regulatory credit calculations but also underpin battery health indicators, vehicle range, recorded energy efficiency, and much more. Consequently, Tesla's business model exhibits a unique systemic reliance on odometer accuracy, rendering mileage reporting a fundamental rather than peripheral concern..." -
    - gruez 2y ago
      >This analysis identifies over fourteen distinct mileage calculation methods employed by Tesla—ranging from predictive telemetry algorithms to energy-consumption-based estimations—documented explicitly in patent filings and regulatory disclosures This is the "they have a patent!" argument all over again. Just because such algorithms exist, doesn't mean they're used in the odometers. It's not even suspicious that they have such algorithms. Batteries are far more complicated than a fuel tank, so even if they weren't trying to fudge odometer ratings, you'd expect them to come up with such algorithms. Finally, you still don't have a response to my main objection: why haven't done an empirical test? They spent all this time making data requests, looking up tesla patents, and digging up old reddit posts, but can't spend a day driving a tesla around to compare what the odometer says vs google maps/another car. What gives?
      - belter 2y ago
        It's not just about the patent: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard How difficult is to admit the man is not Tony Stark, he is just a psycho...
        2y ago