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This is why all the smart Russians are leaving Russia to go study at the Chinese Harvard. This is why they're all getting their news from the Chinese internet a

This is why all the smart Russians are leaving Russia to go study at the Chinese Harvard. This is why they're all getting their news from the Chinese internet and why they're dependent on the Chinese military for protection and can't domestically produce weapons. If they refuse a request, China will bomb their gas pipelines or finance a revolution. Oh wait, I was thinking of a different empire.

UltraSane 1y ago
If you are accusing the US of fomenting the Orange Revolution then you are completely wrong. There is a reason Viktor Yanukovych is living in Russia.
- TylerLives 1y ago
  What about the other ones? How would the US react if some foreign power was funding NGOs in their country with the goal of overthrowing the government? Btw I'm from Serbia where this has happened in the 90s and is now happening again.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
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throwaway290 1y ago
"Finance a revolution"... as if Russian or Ukrainian people are bots who can't desire freedom and non corrupt governments. Yes many Russians send kids to study in China now, I know some of those Russians. No most Russians don't speak Chinese but yes they get news from official media which is China aligned. Remember using VPN to work around censorship or telling people about using VPN is now illegal in Russia. And Russia does not refuse China like UK does not refuse US... China does not need to threaten to blow anything up. Brics currency for example would be a disaster for Russia and good for China but Putin will dance to Xi's pipe because he has no other friends left.
- TylerLives 1y ago
  >as if Russian or Ukrainian people are bots who can't desire freedom and non corrupt governments. Even with all the propaganda and force being used (and there is a lot of force, search for videos of how Ukrainians are being conscripted), I am certain that the vast majority of Ukrainians would vote against Zelensky and would be highly motivated to end the war. Whether such decisions should be left to the people is another question, but it's not even true to say that Ukrainian government represents the people anymore, which is why they refuse to hold elections. >No most Russians don't speak Chinese but yes they get news from official media which is China aligned China owns Chinese media. Russia owns Russian media. US allies don't own their media. USAID was funding 90% of Ukrainian media [0]. Don't you think this can be a problem in situations where interests of the two countries don't align? Was this war good for the Ukraine? [0] https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1887501752213409919 https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1887501752213409919
  - hkpack 1y ago
    > but it's not even true to say that Ukrainian government represents the people anymore, which is why they refuse to hold elections. As Ukrainian I strongly disagree. Ukrainian government do plan to have elections as soon as any ceasefire is negotiated. Also the idea to even talk about election is _very_ unpopular, to the point of any politician who tries to start political discussions is being ostracised heavily by people of all political spectrum. It is understood that any disagreement (and elections is based on discussing all the disagreements), will weaken the army, so you cannot have that during the war. And we do have this discussion very often, since as soon as US make another promise to stop the war in the next 24 hour (as it did in November, December, January, etc...), some politicians decide that it is finally a time to start off their election campaign and get hated on by really everyone immediately. I didn't vote for Zelensky and will not vote in the future, but he is indeed _VERY_ popular. The whole discussion about how he is a dictator and afraid of the election really pisses people off.
    - TylerLives 1y ago
      Fair enough, elections could really cause political instability. Would you be in favor of a referendum, simply asking Ukrainian people if they want to continue fighting or accept peace under whatever conditions are offered by Russia and the US?

UltraSane 1y ago

If you are accusing the US of fomenting the Orange Revolution then you are completely wrong. There is a reason Viktor Yanukovych is living in Russia.

TylerLives 1y ago
What about the other ones? How would the US react if some foreign power was funding NGOs in their country with the goal of overthrowing the government? Btw I'm from Serbia where this has happened in the 90s and is now happening again.
- UltraSane 1y ago
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throwaway290 1y ago

"Finance a revolution"... as if Russian or Ukrainian people are bots who can't desire freedom and non corrupt governments. Yes many Russians send kids to study in China now, I know some of those Russians. No most Russians don't speak Chinese but yes they get news from official media which is China aligned. Remember using VPN to work around censorship or telling people about using VPN is now illegal in Russia. And Russia does not refuse China like UK does not refuse US... China does not need to threaten to blow anything up. Brics currency for example would be a disaster for Russia and good for China but Putin will dance to Xi's pipe because he has no other friends left.

TylerLives 1y ago
>as if Russian or Ukrainian people are bots who can't desire freedom and non corrupt governments. Even with all the propaganda and force being used (and there is a lot of force, search for videos of how Ukrainians are being conscripted), I am certain that the vast majority of Ukrainians would vote against Zelensky and would be highly motivated to end the war. Whether such decisions should be left to the people is another question, but it's not even true to say that Ukrainian government represents the people anymore, which is why they refuse to hold elections. >No most Russians don't speak Chinese but yes they get news from official media which is China aligned China owns Chinese media. Russia owns Russian media. US allies don't own their media. USAID was funding 90% of Ukrainian media [0]. Don't you think this can be a problem in situations where interests of the two countries don't align? Was this war good for the Ukraine? [0] https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1887501752213409919 https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1887501752213409919
- hkpack 1y ago
  > but it's not even true to say that Ukrainian government represents the people anymore, which is why they refuse to hold elections. As Ukrainian I strongly disagree. Ukrainian government do plan to have elections as soon as any ceasefire is negotiated. Also the idea to even talk about election is _very_ unpopular, to the point of any politician who tries to start political discussions is being ostracised heavily by people of all political spectrum. It is understood that any disagreement (and elections is based on discussing all the disagreements), will weaken the army, so you cannot have that during the war. And we do have this discussion very often, since as soon as US make another promise to stop the war in the next 24 hour (as it did in November, December, January, etc...), some politicians decide that it is finally a time to start off their election campaign and get hated on by really everyone immediately. I didn't vote for Zelensky and will not vote in the future, but he is indeed _VERY_ popular. The whole discussion about how he is a dictator and afraid of the election really pisses people off.
  - TylerLives 1y ago
    Fair enough, elections could really cause political instability. Would you be in favor of a referendum, simply asking Ukrainian people if they want to continue fighting or accept peace under whatever conditions are offered by Russia and the US?