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That's a personal attack and offensive and inappropriate. My point was about information as the desired content. For that point I gave some examples, today be

That's a personal attack and offensive and inappropriate. My point was about information as the desired content. For that point I gave some examples, today before coming to HN, after HN, and some recent reading, and those were good examples of information to make my point. The point is the content, and the examples were fully appropriate. I made a point, clearly, strongly, and thoroughly. Apparently my doing so made you angry. Apparently you resent seeing points made. You are angry about something, but I did nothing wrong. Your anger is something you have done wrong. You are attacking me and not my thoughts.

koglerjs 14y ago
>Apparently my doing so made you angry. no, your ineptitude made him contemptuous. >Apparently you resent seeing points made. assume at least minimum competence on behalf of your audience yeah I deserve downvotes for this, but I can't abide overconfident naivete, too brittle to take a punch
mcguire 14y ago
My last sentence was possibly out of line. For that, I apologize. The remainder of my comments can in no reasonable way be interpreted as a personal attack. They only concerned your comment, and I stand by them. You may believe you made a point clearly, strongly, and thoroughly; I seriously disagree. Also, be careful about conflating anger and disagreement.
- ten_fingers 14y ago
  Your > seemingly overflowing with the opinion that ten_fingers is the most important person in the world and the rest of us should drop everything to absorb his every utterance is not supported with facts and is based on nothing solid, just a wild opinion, full of anger, wildly wrong, insulting, and out of place. Say something like to someone in person in a bar and risk getting a bottle broken over your head. All I did was comment on the article's claims of some good writing lesson. I don't think the lesson was good and used examples to illustrate why. What I wrote was fine and deserved no insults.
  - koglerjs 14y ago
    Fuck you. You lost. That's the end of it. My insulting comment had _upvotes_. That's _pathetic_. I played the lower bound on how my comment would be received and still won as measured by applause. You had to ignore that comment and respond to this one instead. That's how much you lost. So dust yourself off, pick yourself up, and see where you went wrong. It's not a bad thing to be a loser because we're all terrible. We're all really wrong about a lot of things. But the difference between people laughing at you and people laughing with you is how much you laugh. Dude, I _like_ you. You spent the effort to type, what, two thousand words, _three_ thousand words about how much you value truth? That's admirable. That's awesome. But you fucked up big, because you thought we cared, because you missed the point of "No one gives a shit" so hilariously _truthfully_ that everyone is laughing at you, that probably the best response is someone's "tl;dr" down below. You think you know things other people don't. No one knows things other people don't! I don't! I'm just trying to move truth around like every other sonofabitch that ever walked this planet. Failure is the most terrible thing that can ever happen to you because it helps you access the truth. "Fail early, fail often" isn't about releasing early, it's about seeking evidence. Evidence of how much the thing you're spending your glory on, how much that thing you're working on will be received. I'd be nothing without that evidence, even if it reduced me to nothing. And what that results in is bazillions of startups built by pg and by HN and by this idea that even failed ideas are a part of success. Because they are! Zuckerberg got lucky. That thread about years-old Y-combinator thread proves that hard work moves more people into success than luck ever could. And I'm waxing melodramatic but _you've_ been so melodramatic, and maybe that's balance. So fuck you. You staked out a position and lost it, and you're still trying to fight it. Because if you really believed what you've said, that every word you've said is defensible and true and worth saying... well, then you wouldn't have to defend it against people telling you absolutely base insults. You suck. You're awful. But you're ok in my book, because you tried hard. You said a truth that resonates with me, even if I've heard it before. I didn't even read your post. I skimmed it. I got the bits that mattered, which are: you're absolutely committed to making things work. Which is the only thing that matters. I hate you. But that's the best form of respect I can give you. Please hate me. Hate me for being right, or hate me for being wrong. Because then you have an opinion about my speaking my piece. And I would never hate you for speaking yours.

koglerjs 14y ago

>Apparently my doing so made you angry. no, your ineptitude made him contemptuous. >Apparently you resent seeing points made. assume at least minimum competence on behalf of your audience yeah I deserve downvotes for this, but I can't abide overconfident naivete, too brittle to take a punch

mcguire 14y ago

My last sentence was possibly out of line. For that, I apologize. The remainder of my comments can in no reasonable way be interpreted as a personal attack. They only concerned your comment, and I stand by them. You may believe you made a point clearly, strongly, and thoroughly; I seriously disagree. Also, be careful about conflating anger and disagreement.

ten_fingers 14y ago
Your > seemingly overflowing with the opinion that ten_fingers is the most important person in the world and the rest of us should drop everything to absorb his every utterance is not supported with facts and is based on nothing solid, just a wild opinion, full of anger, wildly wrong, insulting, and out of place. Say something like to someone in person in a bar and risk getting a bottle broken over your head. All I did was comment on the article's claims of some good writing lesson. I don't think the lesson was good and used examples to illustrate why. What I wrote was fine and deserved no insults.
- koglerjs 14y ago
  Fuck you. You lost. That's the end of it. My insulting comment had _upvotes_. That's _pathetic_. I played the lower bound on how my comment would be received and still won as measured by applause. You had to ignore that comment and respond to this one instead. That's how much you lost. So dust yourself off, pick yourself up, and see where you went wrong. It's not a bad thing to be a loser because we're all terrible. We're all really wrong about a lot of things. But the difference between people laughing at you and people laughing with you is how much you laugh. Dude, I _like_ you. You spent the effort to type, what, two thousand words, _three_ thousand words about how much you value truth? That's admirable. That's awesome. But you fucked up big, because you thought we cared, because you missed the point of "No one gives a shit" so hilariously _truthfully_ that everyone is laughing at you, that probably the best response is someone's "tl;dr" down below. You think you know things other people don't. No one knows things other people don't! I don't! I'm just trying to move truth around like every other sonofabitch that ever walked this planet. Failure is the most terrible thing that can ever happen to you because it helps you access the truth. "Fail early, fail often" isn't about releasing early, it's about seeking evidence. Evidence of how much the thing you're spending your glory on, how much that thing you're working on will be received. I'd be nothing without that evidence, even if it reduced me to nothing. And what that results in is bazillions of startups built by pg and by HN and by this idea that even failed ideas are a part of success. Because they are! Zuckerberg got lucky. That thread about years-old Y-combinator thread proves that hard work moves more people into success than luck ever could. And I'm waxing melodramatic but _you've_ been so melodramatic, and maybe that's balance. So fuck you. You staked out a position and lost it, and you're still trying to fight it. Because if you really believed what you've said, that every word you've said is defensible and true and worth saying... well, then you wouldn't have to defend it against people telling you absolutely base insults. You suck. You're awful. But you're ok in my book, because you tried hard. You said a truth that resonates with me, even if I've heard it before. I didn't even read your post. I skimmed it. I got the bits that mattered, which are: you're absolutely committed to making things work. Which is the only thing that matters. I hate you. But that's the best form of respect I can give you. Please hate me. Hate me for being right, or hate me for being wrong. Because then you have an opinion about my speaking my piece. And I would never hate you for speaking yours.