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Clever bike lane hack

36 points by pingswept 18y ago

furyg3 18y ago
::Ponders tying system to speedometer so that the bike lane logo stays fixed to a point on the ground and then repeats:: Thankfully I'm now living in Amsterdam where the problem virtually doesn't exist due to a heavily funded, well-maintained bicycle network (where lanes are generally separated from cars). This would be a godsend back in the bay area, though. Until then you can use the almost-as-effective strategy of not wearing a bicycle helmet: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article636281.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article636281.ece
- tlrobinson 18y ago
  That's an interesting article. However, I suspect the additional protection provided by wearing a helmet more than makes up for the slight increase chance of being hit by a car. Especially when considering being hit by a car isn't the only way to crash.
  - silentbicycle 18y ago
    I've also seen the argument advanced that requiring helmets makes cycling less safe: Some people will refuse to wear them and won't bike at all, and others will get the impression that cycling is more dangerous than it is because a helmet is being required. (Are drivers or pedestrians nagged to wear helmets? Besides, the most common injury from cycling isn't a head injury - it's a broken wrist from trying to stop a fall.) The decrease in cyclists on the road reduces the likelihood that drivers know how to share the road with them, that cyclists will learn from each other how to ride safely in traffic, etc.
- neilc 18y ago
  One thing that's unclear about that article is whether the reported conclusions are the result of a rigorous study, or just the anecdotal conclusions of an individual professor. Also, the idea that a biker with a helmet is more experienced than one without a helmet seems strange: in my experience, a lot of the most experienced bike riders don't wear helmets. I don't think there's a widespread stereotype about it, anyway.
  - silentbicycle 18y ago
    But so do many of the people who are essentially homeless and just riding a broken Huffy against traffic. (Also, the article is from the UK. Cycling there is probably sufficiently different from in the US (due to city layouts, cultural acceptance of cycling, etc.) that there may be too many other variables to compare them.)
- 11ren 18y ago
  Similar to your idea, if the laser wasn't rotationally stabilized, the image on the ground would jitter around as slight angular tilts of the bike frame would be exaggerated the further the distance the image was projected. Imagine standing to pedal hard up a hill - the lanes would swing wildly left and right. How about a lighted fog beneath the bike (like those under some hotted up street cars), giving it the same visual footprint, and territory, as a car?
  - silentbicycle 18y ago
    Or even just a spoke POV system[1], so there is quite a bit more light visible from the sides? [1]: http://www.ladyada.net/make/spokepov/ http://www.ladyada.net/make/spokepov/
    - 11ren 18y ago
      hey, that's really cool. I like your point that it's lateral visibility that matters. But I think in practice, the side of the bike is visible only for a very short time (as a car passes it), and the driver is looking forwards (not to the side). The bike needs to be visible from behind. Another projection idea is a downward-facing rear light - perhaps angled so that the light reflected from the road hits the eyes of the drivers behind?
      - silentbicycle 18y ago
        I've biked as primary transportation for five years (including through Michigan winters), and in my experience ensuring that other drivers see you at intersections is most important. They're often unclear about intent, who has right of way, etc., when they see you at all, and that's where paths cross. Being visible from behind is also important, but doesn't take anything extravagant: A five-red-LED blinker on your bike and a blinker on your helmet or large reflective strips on your bag is almost certainly sufficient. As long as you're not weaving from lane to lane and not terribly unlucky (e.g. being followed by a drunk or a car full of reckless teenagers), it's unlikely you'll get hit from behind. (Fog/glow under the bike would be awesome, though.)
- rjprins 18y ago
  Even more important in Amsterdam: Pretty much every one driving car also rides a bicycle from time to time. So cars almost always have a sympathetic attitude towards cyclists.
  - furyg3 18y ago
    Except cabbies, it seems. :/
    - billroberts 18y ago
      It's the tram drivers that really take no prisoners :-)
- rufo 18y ago
  Speaking as someone who lost a close family friend to an accident where a helmet would've saved him... I still think I would wear the helmet. Even if you do get injured, I'd think it would be far less likely to be the kind that puts you into a vegetative state.
  - _phred 18y ago
    Sorry to hear about your friend. I've personally decided that my skull and its contents are worth protecting, and worth protecting well, and feel naked riding without a good and properly-fitted helmet.
mattmaroon 18y ago
That has to be illegal. Projecting unauthorized lane markers on the road is a hazard. That could easily cause accidents. Drowsy driver at night suddenly sees a bike lane appear out of nowhere, and he's straddling it or about to be, swerves...
- harpastum 18y ago
  I agree that it's probably illegal, and definitely causes trouble for drivers, but if they're straddling the lane, that means they have a lot more to worry about--they're about to hit a biker.
  - mattmaroon 18y ago
    That's a lot less for the driver to worry about than swerving into other lanes or oncoming traffic.
    - seano 18y ago
      So this straw man driver swerves for unexpected road markings but not for unexpected cyclists? Not only is he drowsy but insane too?
      - mattmaroon 18y ago
        Well, if he's made of straw and he's driving a car, he's probably possessed, in which case it doesn't really matter.
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beefingjection 18y ago
I haven't been able to find anything about a functional prototype. Is there one? I'm dubious that light projected onto a rough-surfaced road from in front will be very visible from behind. Maybe when it's rainy?
kwamenum86 18y ago
How much money does it costs to maintain a laser based system over time? How much does it cost to maintain paint on the ground over time? Where are the lasers coming from? Are they safe? This articles raises more questions than it does solve problems.
- seiji 18y ago
  Good points. Powerful battery operated lasers have a duty cycle of 30 to 60 seconds before you should turn them off so they don't overheat immediately. The lasers (or a laser with a pattern to shine through) were mounted on the bike. They are probably safe as long as you don't ride over any mirrors or use overly powerful laser sources: http://www.wickedlasers.com/ http://www.wickedlasers.com/
jaytee_clone 18y ago
I like the out-of-the-box spirit. But what if the biker is not biking on the right edge of the road? (Like when he wants to make a left turn from the left lane.) This will be confusing and distracting for the driver behind.
iuguy 18y ago
This isn't a hack. It's a blog post about someone coming up with an interesting but ill-thought out concept.
silentbicycle 18y ago
Yet, only a small fraction of streets have dedicated bike lanes, and with an installation cost of $5,000 to $50,000 per mile, we shouldn’t expect to find them everywhere anytime soon. Why are they so expensive? Adding a bike lane consists of painting a stripe down the side of the road and adding a little icon of a cyclist. The latter could just be painted with a stencil. Keeping the line parallel to the others means a road maintenance truck would probably do it, but is there really that much bureaucratic overhead? That's $1-10 per foot of bike lane. I saw a system that attached a paint roller to the back wheel for a "DIY bike lane", for something that uses paint rather than lasers. (I can't find the link.) I still don't think it's a good idea, but paint of any kind is probably an improvement over lasers. Is adding bike lanes even approaching the problem from the right angle, though? They arguably help prevent a driver from hitting you from behind, but they don't improve misunderstandings about intent/right-of-way at intersections, which is where more collisions actually occur.
- twopoint718 18y ago
  It can't possibly cost that much to actually do the painting. The hard part probably has to do with the width of the road. All the bike lanes that I know of are on rather wide streets where there is enough width for the standard car lane and the bike lane beside it.

36 points by pingswept 18y ago

::Ponders tying system to speedometer so that the bike lane logo stays fixed to a point on the ground and then repeats:: Thankfully I'm now living in Amsterdam where the problem virtually doesn't exist due to a heavily funded, well-maintained bicycle network (where lanes are generally separated from cars). This would be a godsend back in the bay area, though. Until then you can use the almost-as-effective strategy of not wearing a bicycle helmet: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article636281.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article636281.ece

tlrobinson 18y ago
That's an interesting article. However, I suspect the additional protection provided by wearing a helmet more than makes up for the slight increase chance of being hit by a car. Especially when considering being hit by a car isn't the only way to crash.
- silentbicycle 18y ago
  I've also seen the argument advanced that requiring helmets makes cycling less safe: Some people will refuse to wear them and won't bike at all, and others will get the impression that cycling is more dangerous than it is because a helmet is being required. (Are drivers or pedestrians nagged to wear helmets? Besides, the most common injury from cycling isn't a head injury - it's a broken wrist from trying to stop a fall.) The decrease in cyclists on the road reduces the likelihood that drivers know how to share the road with them, that cyclists will learn from each other how to ride safely in traffic, etc.
neilc 18y ago
One thing that's unclear about that article is whether the reported conclusions are the result of a rigorous study, or just the anecdotal conclusions of an individual professor. Also, the idea that a biker with a helmet is more experienced than one without a helmet seems strange: in my experience, a lot of the most experienced bike riders don't wear helmets. I don't think there's a widespread stereotype about it, anyway.
- silentbicycle 18y ago
  But so do many of the people who are essentially homeless and just riding a broken Huffy against traffic. (Also, the article is from the UK. Cycling there is probably sufficiently different from in the US (due to city layouts, cultural acceptance of cycling, etc.) that there may be too many other variables to compare them.)
11ren 18y ago
Similar to your idea, if the laser wasn't rotationally stabilized, the image on the ground would jitter around as slight angular tilts of the bike frame would be exaggerated the further the distance the image was projected. Imagine standing to pedal hard up a hill - the lanes would swing wildly left and right. How about a lighted fog beneath the bike (like those under some hotted up street cars), giving it the same visual footprint, and territory, as a car?
- silentbicycle 18y ago
  Or even just a spoke POV system[1], so there is quite a bit more light visible from the sides? [1]: http://www.ladyada.net/make/spokepov/ http://www.ladyada.net/make/spokepov/
  - 11ren 18y ago
    hey, that's really cool. I like your point that it's lateral visibility that matters. But I think in practice, the side of the bike is visible only for a very short time (as a car passes it), and the driver is looking forwards (not to the side). The bike needs to be visible from behind. Another projection idea is a downward-facing rear light - perhaps angled so that the light reflected from the road hits the eyes of the drivers behind?
    - silentbicycle 18y ago
      I've biked as primary transportation for five years (including through Michigan winters), and in my experience ensuring that other drivers see you at intersections is most important. They're often unclear about intent, who has right of way, etc., when they see you at all, and that's where paths cross. Being visible from behind is also important, but doesn't take anything extravagant: A five-red-LED blinker on your bike and a blinker on your helmet or large reflective strips on your bag is almost certainly sufficient. As long as you're not weaving from lane to lane and not terribly unlucky (e.g. being followed by a drunk or a car full of reckless teenagers), it's unlikely you'll get hit from behind. (Fog/glow under the bike would be awesome, though.)
rjprins 18y ago
Even more important in Amsterdam: Pretty much every one driving car also rides a bicycle from time to time. So cars almost always have a sympathetic attitude towards cyclists.
- furyg3 18y ago
  Except cabbies, it seems. :/
  - billroberts 18y ago
    It's the tram drivers that really take no prisoners :-)
rufo 18y ago
Speaking as someone who lost a close family friend to an accident where a helmet would've saved him... I still think I would wear the helmet. Even if you do get injured, I'd think it would be far less likely to be the kind that puts you into a vegetative state.
- _phred 18y ago
  Sorry to hear about your friend. I've personally decided that my skull and its contents are worth protecting, and worth protecting well, and feel naked riding without a good and properly-fitted helmet.

mattmaroon 18y ago

That has to be illegal. Projecting unauthorized lane markers on the road is a hazard. That could easily cause accidents. Drowsy driver at night suddenly sees a bike lane appear out of nowhere, and he's straddling it or about to be, swerves...

harpastum 18y ago
I agree that it's probably illegal, and definitely causes trouble for drivers, but if they're straddling the lane, that means they have a lot more to worry about--they're about to hit a biker.
- mattmaroon 18y ago
  That's a lot less for the driver to worry about than swerving into other lanes or oncoming traffic.
  - seano 18y ago
    So this straw man driver swerves for unexpected road markings but not for unexpected cyclists? Not only is he drowsy but insane too?
    - mattmaroon 18y ago
      Well, if he's made of straw and he's driving a car, he's probably possessed, in which case it doesn't really matter.
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beefingjection 18y ago

I haven't been able to find anything about a functional prototype. Is there one? I'm dubious that light projected onto a rough-surfaced road from in front will be very visible from behind. Maybe when it's rainy?

kwamenum86 18y ago

How much money does it costs to maintain a laser based system over time? How much does it cost to maintain paint on the ground over time? Where are the lasers coming from? Are they safe? This articles raises more questions than it does solve problems.

seiji 18y ago
Good points. Powerful battery operated lasers have a duty cycle of 30 to 60 seconds before you should turn them off so they don't overheat immediately. The lasers (or a laser with a pattern to shine through) were mounted on the bike. They are probably safe as long as you don't ride over any mirrors or use overly powerful laser sources: http://www.wickedlasers.com/ http://www.wickedlasers.com/

jaytee_clone 18y ago

I like the out-of-the-box spirit. But what if the biker is not biking on the right edge of the road? (Like when he wants to make a left turn from the left lane.) This will be confusing and distracting for the driver behind.

iuguy 18y ago

This isn't a hack. It's a blog post about someone coming up with an interesting but ill-thought out concept.

silentbicycle 18y ago

Yet, only a small fraction of streets have dedicated bike lanes, and with an installation cost of $5,000 to $50,000 per mile, we shouldn’t expect to find them everywhere anytime soon. Why are they so expensive? Adding a bike lane consists of painting a stripe down the side of the road and adding a little icon of a cyclist. The latter could just be painted with a stencil. Keeping the line parallel to the others means a road maintenance truck would probably do it, but is there really that much bureaucratic overhead? That's $1-10 per foot of bike lane. I saw a system that attached a paint roller to the back wheel for a "DIY bike lane", for something that uses paint rather than lasers. (I can't find the link.) I still don't think it's a good idea, but paint of any kind is probably an improvement over lasers. Is adding bike lanes even approaching the problem from the right angle, though? They arguably help prevent a driver from hitting you from behind, but they don't improve misunderstandings about intent/right-of-way at intersections, which is where more collisions actually occur.

twopoint718 18y ago
It can't possibly cost that much to actually do the painting. The hard part probably has to do with the width of the road. All the bike lanes that I know of are on rather wide streets where there is enough width for the standard car lane and the bike lane beside it.