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> the opportunity pipeline that already exists for white people There is no opportunity pipeline for white people. There is an opportunity pipeline for a smal

> the opportunity pipeline that already exists for white people There is no opportunity pipeline for white people. There is an opportunity pipeline for a small number of well connected, wealthy people who can get their kids into elite prep schools starting from kindergarten. It's not open to working class white people. Edit: that doesn't mean no working class white person can succeed. Just that the prep school, elite university, big corporation (or startup founder) "pipeline" - which certainly does exist - is for wealthy people.

kelseyfrog 1y ago
What would an opportunity pipeline for white people look like? How would we detect one if it were to exist?
- leereeves 1y ago
  Why ask me? It was chneu who claimed it existed. Edit: Yes, I made a bold assertion, based on the view from the working class and the many intelligent white people I know who were held back by not being wealthy or well-connected. For those outside the elite pipeline, it's an advantage not to be white. If there's a pipeline I don't know about, I'd like to hear it. Point it out so more people can join the pipeline to success!
  - kelseyfrog 1y ago
    You claimed it didn't exist[1]. Presumably you had some criteria, found no evidence and then made a conclusion. What was your criteria? 1. A substantially different claim than "We have no evidence for its existence" or "We don't know that it exists".
wredcoll 1y ago
"Small number" is doing a lot of work. Just as an example: https://heller.brandeis.edu/news/items/releases/2023/impact-report-gi-bill.html https://heller.brandeis.edu/news/items/releases/2023/impact-... Quite a few "white people" got a start at accumulating property this way that was denied to "black people". Is it directly tied to going to college? No. Does it help? Probably.
- leereeves 1y ago
  As others have said, that is now an economic advantage. There are other economic advantages. Why not level the economic playing field for everyone?
  - Larrikin 1y ago
    What if demanding leveling for everyone is a distraction so that it never gets leveled for anyone? Similar to now is not the time, thoughts and prayers, etc. It also never seems to be a problem that businesses don't need everything leveled for all businesses. The PPP loans were all taken up by people with lawyers that could quickly jump on all the money, and didn't actually help many of the businesses that needed it.
    - leereeves 1y ago
      Perhaps it is for some people, but I'm serious. I'd like to see the economic playing field leveled. I was pissed when I saw the Democrats use racism and sexism to sideline Bernie Sanders and real economic change. Remember "Bernie Bros"? Biden's "black firewall"? DEI is a defense of classism.
      - wredcoll 1y ago
        > DEI is a defense of classism. That seems like a pretty far-fetched claim. You say you want to see the economic playing field leveled, does spending time and energy trying to tear down the existing DEI systems get you closer to that goal or farther away?
        leereeves 1y ago
        Closer. There are a lot of people who are happy to see classism continue if they can use their race or sex to get an advantage in that system. I don't believe economic equality has a chance until the Democrats abandon DEI.
- rayiner 1y ago
theshackleford 1y ago
I come from a working class background, if that’s what you can call two parents who have spent most of their life on welfare of various kinds. I along with many of my white friends are now high six figure earners. I have no high school completion, no university education, no qualifications. So obviously it’s not as closed as you are pretending it is.
harimau777 1y ago
That's where the idea of intersectionality comes in. A person who is white and poor might be worse off than someone who is black and rich; however, someone who is black and poor would likely be worse off than both of them. That's also why DEI advocates generally don't advocate focusing exclusively on race. Instead they generally advocate that DEI focus on many factors such as race, wealth, disability, sexuality, gender, military service, etc.
- leereeves 1y ago
  I think that's a step in the right direction. I'd just take it one step further, consider all the factors of each person's life, and thus treat people as individuals and not as representatives of a few select groups. Intersectionality excludes too many factors as it focuses on just a few.

kelseyfrog 1y ago

What would an opportunity pipeline for white people look like? How would we detect one if it were to exist?

leereeves 1y ago
Why ask me? It was chneu who claimed it existed. Edit: Yes, I made a bold assertion, based on the view from the working class and the many intelligent white people I know who were held back by not being wealthy or well-connected. For those outside the elite pipeline, it's an advantage not to be white. If there's a pipeline I don't know about, I'd like to hear it. Point it out so more people can join the pipeline to success!
- kelseyfrog 1y ago
  You claimed it didn't exist[1]. Presumably you had some criteria, found no evidence and then made a conclusion. What was your criteria? 1. A substantially different claim than "We have no evidence for its existence" or "We don't know that it exists".

wredcoll 1y ago

"Small number" is doing a lot of work. Just as an example: https://heller.brandeis.edu/news/items/releases/2023/impact-report-gi-bill.html https://heller.brandeis.edu/news/items/releases/2023/impact-... Quite a few "white people" got a start at accumulating property this way that was denied to "black people". Is it directly tied to going to college? No. Does it help? Probably.

leereeves 1y ago
As others have said, that is now an economic advantage. There are other economic advantages. Why not level the economic playing field for everyone?
- Larrikin 1y ago
  What if demanding leveling for everyone is a distraction so that it never gets leveled for anyone? Similar to now is not the time, thoughts and prayers, etc. It also never seems to be a problem that businesses don't need everything leveled for all businesses. The PPP loans were all taken up by people with lawyers that could quickly jump on all the money, and didn't actually help many of the businesses that needed it.
  - leereeves 1y ago
    Perhaps it is for some people, but I'm serious. I'd like to see the economic playing field leveled. I was pissed when I saw the Democrats use racism and sexism to sideline Bernie Sanders and real economic change. Remember "Bernie Bros"? Biden's "black firewall"? DEI is a defense of classism.
    - wredcoll 1y ago
      > DEI is a defense of classism. That seems like a pretty far-fetched claim. You say you want to see the economic playing field leveled, does spending time and energy trying to tear down the existing DEI systems get you closer to that goal or farther away?
      - leereeves 1y ago
        Closer. There are a lot of people who are happy to see classism continue if they can use their race or sex to get an advantage in that system. I don't believe economic equality has a chance until the Democrats abandon DEI.
rayiner 1y ago

theshackleford 1y ago

I come from a working class background, if that’s what you can call two parents who have spent most of their life on welfare of various kinds. I along with many of my white friends are now high six figure earners. I have no high school completion, no university education, no qualifications. So obviously it’s not as closed as you are pretending it is.

harimau777 1y ago

That's where the idea of intersectionality comes in. A person who is white and poor might be worse off than someone who is black and rich; however, someone who is black and poor would likely be worse off than both of them. That's also why DEI advocates generally don't advocate focusing exclusively on race. Instead they generally advocate that DEI focus on many factors such as race, wealth, disability, sexuality, gender, military service, etc.

leereeves 1y ago
I think that's a step in the right direction. I'd just take it one step further, consider all the factors of each person's life, and thus treat people as individuals and not as representatives of a few select groups. Intersectionality excludes too many factors as it focuses on just a few.