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Never talk to the police. Let your lawyers do the talking.

by LinuxBender 1y ago

gosub100 1y ago
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- Kinrany 1y ago
  You're interpreting GP's comment in bad faith.
  - AlexeyBelov 1y ago
    It's a pattern for this user. Seriously, read their comments. I don't understand why HN tolerated that.
    - gosub100 1y ago
      someone has different views than you. can you handle that?
  - gosub100 1y ago
    He used the word "never". That's not a word requiring interpretation. And for finding this gaping hole in his argument, I'm rewarded by getting flagged.
    - Kinrany 1y ago
      People usually understand that rules can have exceptions, and natural language is limited in its precision.
      - gosub100 1y ago
        [flagged]
        AlexeyBelov 1y ago
        Then why do your comments read _exactly_ like what I see on YouTube?
- InvertedRhodium 1y ago
  “Not sure, sorry” is more my go to. Nothing illegal or inciting about ignorance and stupidity. And manners cost nothing.
  - immibis 1y ago
    What if they can later prove you were sure - maybe from your WhatsApp messages where you told your friend about the crazy shooting?
santoshalper 1y ago
Because someone, somewhere needs to see this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
To add to this: it is the police's job to positively identify those who commit crimes. If they are questioning you, it is because 1) they are investigating a crime and you are a suspect (maybe not the prime suspect but a suspect) and 2) they do not have evidence that reasonably proves that you committed whatever crime (or lack thereof) they are investigating. (Simple game theory for 2: if they had the evidence, they'd use it to obtain an arrest warrant and then prosecute the case; no need for more investigation.) This isn't good advice only for people who have possibly committed a crime but also (and especially) for those who are confident that they have not. The police are asking you questions to "get to the bottom of it" and they encounter people every day who do think they can lie to get out of a crime; they think you might try to lie to get out of a crime. They won't trust your words but they will verify your words. If your words turn out to be false, then they'll tell the judge/jury that you lied to them, not that you were mistaken; in the absence of stronger evidence (against someone else) they might claim you were possibly even intending to direct their investigation toward a red herring with your falsehoods. The only revision to this advice I've heard in the past decade-and-a-bit: tell the police your real first and last name if they ask. It's not always a requirement but some states have "stop and ID" laws, which means you have to identify yourself to law enforcement during a "lawful detention" (other states instead require it after an arrest).
- autoexec 1y ago
  > The police are asking you questions to "get to the bottom of it" and they encounter people every day who do think they can lie to get out of a crime; I don't even think they are all that interested in getting to the truth of the matter, they are mostly concerned with getting an arrest and conviction. If it'll be easier to throw you behind bars than to find and arrest the dangerous person who actually committed the crime they aren't all going to choose more work and risk "officer safety" when they can just take you and call it a day. Especially not if they're already prejudiced against you or you bruised their fragile ego somehow.
  - EFreethought 1y ago
    I wonder how much of the state of affairs is due to the "enshitification" of law enforcement. I think a lot of towns/cities require officers to give out a minimum number of citations/tickets per month. If you are told to care about a number, you will care about a number.
DrillShopper 1y ago
Corollary: if talking to the cops helped you then the police wouldn't be so eager to talk to you
fdb345 1y ago
Im sorry but Ive got to talk to them to take the fucking piss out of them. My interview tapes are hilarious.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  “We can put you in Queens on the night of the robbery.” “Oh really? I live in Queens. You got a team of monkeys working on this or something?”

Never talk to the police. Let your lawyers do the talking.

gosub100 1y ago

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Kinrany 1y ago
You're interpreting GP's comment in bad faith.
- AlexeyBelov 1y ago
  It's a pattern for this user. Seriously, read their comments. I don't understand why HN tolerated that.
  - gosub100 1y ago
    someone has different views than you. can you handle that?
- gosub100 1y ago
  He used the word "never". That's not a word requiring interpretation. And for finding this gaping hole in his argument, I'm rewarded by getting flagged.
  - Kinrany 1y ago
    People usually understand that rules can have exceptions, and natural language is limited in its precision.
    - gosub100 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - AlexeyBelov 1y ago
        Then why do your comments read _exactly_ like what I see on YouTube?
InvertedRhodium 1y ago
“Not sure, sorry” is more my go to. Nothing illegal or inciting about ignorance and stupidity. And manners cost nothing.
- immibis 1y ago
  What if they can later prove you were sure - maybe from your WhatsApp messages where you told your friend about the crazy shooting?

santoshalper 1y ago

Because someone, somewhere needs to see this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago

To add to this: it is the police's job to positively identify those who commit crimes. If they are questioning you, it is because 1) they are investigating a crime and you are a suspect (maybe not the prime suspect but a suspect) and 2) they do not have evidence that reasonably proves that you committed whatever crime (or lack thereof) they are investigating. (Simple game theory for 2: if they had the evidence, they'd use it to obtain an arrest warrant and then prosecute the case; no need for more investigation.) This isn't good advice only for people who have possibly committed a crime but also (and especially) for those who are confident that they have not. The police are asking you questions to "get to the bottom of it" and they encounter people every day who do think they can lie to get out of a crime; they think you might try to lie to get out of a crime. They won't trust your words but they will verify your words. If your words turn out to be false, then they'll tell the judge/jury that you lied to them, not that you were mistaken; in the absence of stronger evidence (against someone else) they might claim you were possibly even intending to direct their investigation toward a red herring with your falsehoods. The only revision to this advice I've heard in the past decade-and-a-bit: tell the police your real first and last name if they ask. It's not always a requirement but some states have "stop and ID" laws, which means you have to identify yourself to law enforcement during a "lawful detention" (other states instead require it after an arrest).

autoexec 1y ago
> The police are asking you questions to "get to the bottom of it" and they encounter people every day who do think they can lie to get out of a crime; I don't even think they are all that interested in getting to the truth of the matter, they are mostly concerned with getting an arrest and conviction. If it'll be easier to throw you behind bars than to find and arrest the dangerous person who actually committed the crime they aren't all going to choose more work and risk "officer safety" when they can just take you and call it a day. Especially not if they're already prejudiced against you or you bruised their fragile ego somehow.
- EFreethought 1y ago
  I wonder how much of the state of affairs is due to the "enshitification" of law enforcement. I think a lot of towns/cities require officers to give out a minimum number of citations/tickets per month. If you are told to care about a number, you will care about a number.

DrillShopper 1y ago

Corollary: if talking to the cops helped you then the police wouldn't be so eager to talk to you

fdb345 1y ago

Im sorry but Ive got to talk to them to take the fucking piss out of them. My interview tapes are hilarious.

FireBeyond 1y ago
“We can put you in Queens on the night of the robbery.” “Oh really? I live in Queens. You got a team of monkeys working on this or something?”