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Why are you always all over these DEI threads?

rayiner 2y ago
Because I view DEI and ethnic identity as a personal threat to my mixed kids. Followed closely by the fact that i’m from a third world country, and I know that promoting ethnic identity invariably corrodes and destroys a society. It wrecks every facet of society and governance. Every issue becomes overtaken by ethnic scorekeeping and jockeying. Democracy itself disappears, replaced with ethnic machine politics.
- mdhb 2y ago
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  - yes_really 2y ago
    What is your thought process for that? Do you think ethnic conflicts do not exist in developing countries? Do you think nonwhite immigrants to the US would not talk about politics? Do you think nonwhite immigrants to the US are unbothered by a rise in ethnical tensions?
    - mdhb 2y ago
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      - michtzik 2y ago
        Accordingly, it's also very easy to Google a picture of him.
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      - rayiner 2y ago
        Why do you find it hard to believe? Naturalized citizens like me were one of the groups that swung the hardest towards Trump in 2024: https://www.cato.org/blog/naturalized-immigrants-probably-voted-republican-2024 https://www.cato.org/blog/naturalized-immigrants-probably-vo....
- chimpanzee 2y ago
  In which “third world” country have you experienced this? How does ethnic identity threaten a mixed person? Being mixed myself, I'd love to know why you think ethnic identity is a threat to me and others like me. In my experience, it has been a tremendous advantage, despite the fact that I have lost friends and opportunities simply because I am not "white enough". And that isn't a guess or misread, I've been told that explicitly. It hurts, especially as a child, but knowing this happens allows me to understand the importance of exposing everyone to as much diversity as possible. Why? Because each and every time someone has mistreated me or judged me negatively based on ethnicity, it was quite apparent that they have lived a very cloistered life and oftentimes carry some sort of grudge or sense of victimhood despite their advantages. And they quite often look up to someone (e.g. their father or other adult role model) who exhibit the exact same prejudices, insecurities and victimhood. I've also been threatened and harassed by the out-group because they thought I was of the in-group. Not a fun experience in the least. But again, it became quite clear why they behaved that way: a lack of diverse real-world experience (particularly a lack of positive experiences) combined with misguided lessons from equally misguided role-models.
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  - rayiner 2y ago
    > In which “third world” country have you experienced this? Bangladesh. My uncle fought a war to gain independence from Pakistan and establish a homeland for our ethnic group. > How does ethnic identity threaten a mixed person? Because ethnic identity is maladaptive in individualist American society.
    - chimpanzee 2y ago
      >> In which “third world” country have you experienced this? > Bangladesh. My uncle fought a war to gain independence from Pakistan and establish a homeland for our ethnic group. I appreciate that, as a family history you carry. I'm curious, how do you feel about it in the context of your arguments made here? Do you think ethnic groups should fight for survival and a safe harbor (homeland)? (Rereading your prior answer, it sounds like a definitive "no") Do you think there is value in maintaining a living culture outside of the homeland? Do you recognize any potential loss to individuals when their family's culture or ethnicity is erased? >> How does ethnic identity threaten a mixed person? > Because ethnic identity is maladaptive in individualist American society. How so? Would you consider all group identities maladaptive?
- archagon 2y ago
  Maybe the emphasis on racial identity in society will prove harmful in the long run. But it's plain to see that the anti-DEI push from the Trump administration is little more than a return to white, male supremacy. For example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/07/park-service-harriet-tubman-underground-railroad https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/07/park-service... If I had to choose between the two, white supremacy is not what I would pick. And if it sticks around, it's going to be much more of a threat to the life and liberty of your mixed kids.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    The anti-DEI push is not about “white supremacy,” but rather what some disparagingly call “multiracial whiteness.” It’s basically a return to the 1990s, when we retained a distinctly Anglo-flavored dominant American culture, but anyone could assimilate into that culture.
    - onetimeusename 2y ago
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      - archagon 2y ago
        Holy baloney, that is some top grade insane rambling. (Seriously, "Hitler-centric"? Are we just throwing darts at the scary word board now?) The administration pays lip service to getting rid of DEI, but then tries to erase genuine American heroes like Harriet Tubman while hiring completely unqualified candidates like Pete Hegseth, glorifying genocidal maniacs like Andrew Jackson, and restoring racist Confederate monuments that should have been melted down in the 60's. If you don't see the white supremacy inherent in these actions, you are like a fish in water.
        onetimeusename 2y ago
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    - 2y ago

Because I view DEI and ethnic identity as a personal threat to my mixed kids. Followed closely by the fact that i’m from a third world country, and I know that promoting ethnic identity invariably corrodes and destroys a society. It wrecks every facet of society and governance. Every issue becomes overtaken by ethnic scorekeeping and jockeying. Democracy itself disappears, replaced with ethnic machine politics.

mdhb 2y ago
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- yes_really 2y ago
  What is your thought process for that? Do you think ethnic conflicts do not exist in developing countries? Do you think nonwhite immigrants to the US would not talk about politics? Do you think nonwhite immigrants to the US are unbothered by a rise in ethnical tensions?
  - mdhb 2y ago
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    - michtzik 2y ago
      Accordingly, it's also very easy to Google a picture of him.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - rayiner 2y ago
      Why do you find it hard to believe? Naturalized citizens like me were one of the groups that swung the hardest towards Trump in 2024: https://www.cato.org/blog/naturalized-immigrants-probably-voted-republican-2024 https://www.cato.org/blog/naturalized-immigrants-probably-vo....
chimpanzee 2y ago
In which “third world” country have you experienced this? How does ethnic identity threaten a mixed person? Being mixed myself, I'd love to know why you think ethnic identity is a threat to me and others like me. In my experience, it has been a tremendous advantage, despite the fact that I have lost friends and opportunities simply because I am not "white enough". And that isn't a guess or misread, I've been told that explicitly. It hurts, especially as a child, but knowing this happens allows me to understand the importance of exposing everyone to as much diversity as possible. Why? Because each and every time someone has mistreated me or judged me negatively based on ethnicity, it was quite apparent that they have lived a very cloistered life and oftentimes carry some sort of grudge or sense of victimhood despite their advantages. And they quite often look up to someone (e.g. their father or other adult role model) who exhibit the exact same prejudices, insecurities and victimhood. I've also been threatened and harassed by the out-group because they thought I was of the in-group. Not a fun experience in the least. But again, it became quite clear why they behaved that way: a lack of diverse real-world experience (particularly a lack of positive experiences) combined with misguided lessons from equally misguided role-models.
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- rayiner 2y ago
  > In which “third world” country have you experienced this? Bangladesh. My uncle fought a war to gain independence from Pakistan and establish a homeland for our ethnic group. > How does ethnic identity threaten a mixed person? Because ethnic identity is maladaptive in individualist American society.
  - chimpanzee 2y ago
    >> In which “third world” country have you experienced this? > Bangladesh. My uncle fought a war to gain independence from Pakistan and establish a homeland for our ethnic group. I appreciate that, as a family history you carry. I'm curious, how do you feel about it in the context of your arguments made here? Do you think ethnic groups should fight for survival and a safe harbor (homeland)? (Rereading your prior answer, it sounds like a definitive "no") Do you think there is value in maintaining a living culture outside of the homeland? Do you recognize any potential loss to individuals when their family's culture or ethnicity is erased? >> How does ethnic identity threaten a mixed person? > Because ethnic identity is maladaptive in individualist American society. How so? Would you consider all group identities maladaptive?
archagon 2y ago
Maybe the emphasis on racial identity in society will prove harmful in the long run. But it's plain to see that the anti-DEI push from the Trump administration is little more than a return to white, male supremacy. For example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/07/park-service-harriet-tubman-underground-railroad https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/07/park-service... If I had to choose between the two, white supremacy is not what I would pick. And if it sticks around, it's going to be much more of a threat to the life and liberty of your mixed kids.
- rayiner 2y ago
  The anti-DEI push is not about “white supremacy,” but rather what some disparagingly call “multiracial whiteness.” It’s basically a return to the 1990s, when we retained a distinctly Anglo-flavored dominant American culture, but anyone could assimilate into that culture.
  - onetimeusename 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - archagon 2y ago
      Holy baloney, that is some top grade insane rambling. (Seriously, "Hitler-centric"? Are we just throwing darts at the scary word board now?) The administration pays lip service to getting rid of DEI, but then tries to erase genuine American heroes like Harriet Tubman while hiring completely unqualified candidates like Pete Hegseth, glorifying genocidal maniacs like Andrew Jackson, and restoring racist Confederate monuments that should have been melted down in the 60's. If you don't see the white supremacy inherent in these actions, you are like a fish in water.
      - onetimeusename 2y ago
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