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So super stupid to think one is going to be able to talk to Russia and convince them giving up a thing, they started by themselves. If they're progressing, cons

So super stupid to think one is going to be able to talk to Russia and convince them giving up a thing, they started by themselves. If they're progressing, constantly acquire land mass, despite sanctions, less earnings and all the backlash put on Russia by the whole world - we're not talking about the humans died for this on both sides. So how is it called if you play poker with someone who's got nothing to lose and still has big enough pockets. That's a big gamble. There's no deal, if the other don't want to. Putin doesn't want. We need more pressure.

quantified 2y ago
Unless it was all a show, and the US effort was just for appearances.
- bell-cot 2y ago
  My impression - from a couple articles with "if only we had done X, Y, and Z" regrets & recriminations by former Biden officials - is that Biden & Co. treated Ukraine as an ongoing crisis to manage. (And look good managing.) Not as a war that needed winning. Nor as a problem that actually needed to be fixed. One could speculate that that approach was driven by influence from outside the White House. Especially by the military-industrial complex - which "lost" Afghanistan as bottomless well of spending and career advancement, because ol' Joe finally got America out of there.
  - xenospn 2y ago
    The democrats could’ve used that opportunity to create a new world order. Instead, they fumbled, just like they always do. And now they get to watch from the sidelines.
    - bell-cot 2y ago
      Yeah. But sadly, recent Team R's doesn't seem any better for National Security. The last one I'd call good at it was Bush Sr. On Team D's side, I don't know if I'd credit anyone after FDR with that label. Though Truman and Clinton (ugh) were fairly passable.
      - ashoeafoot 2y ago
        a landempire imperial war machine going up against a nearly demented governmentprocess that ala memento forgets everything every 4 years. So of course trump runs

quantified 2y ago

Unless it was all a show, and the US effort was just for appearances.

bell-cot 2y ago
My impression - from a couple articles with "if only we had done X, Y, and Z" regrets & recriminations by former Biden officials - is that Biden & Co. treated Ukraine as an ongoing crisis to manage. (And look good managing.) Not as a war that needed winning. Nor as a problem that actually needed to be fixed. One could speculate that that approach was driven by influence from outside the White House. Especially by the military-industrial complex - which "lost" Afghanistan as bottomless well of spending and career advancement, because ol' Joe finally got America out of there.
- xenospn 2y ago
  The democrats could’ve used that opportunity to create a new world order. Instead, they fumbled, just like they always do. And now they get to watch from the sidelines.
  - bell-cot 2y ago
    Yeah. But sadly, recent Team R's doesn't seem any better for National Security. The last one I'd call good at it was Bush Sr. On Team D's side, I don't know if I'd credit anyone after FDR with that label. Though Truman and Clinton (ugh) were fairly passable.
    - ashoeafoot 2y ago
      a landempire imperial war machine going up against a nearly demented governmentprocess that ala memento forgets everything every 4 years. So of course trump runs