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> What else can be done? Civil war. It will probably have to come to this, some day or other.

by bambax 2y ago

deadbabe 2y ago
If you’re not willing to pick up arms and fight, chances are no one else is, so it will never happen. Most likely nothing can be done and people will just live under a totalitarian fascist regime for the duration of their lives. Keep talking about civil war, you’ll be imprisoned and silenced. You should delete your post.
- jasonjayr 2y ago
  They should NOT delete their post. Do not comply in advance.
  - deadbabe 2y ago
    Do NOT resist compliance unless you’re willing to go all the way with it. It’s not worth losing your comfortable life.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      Does "Give me liberty or give me death" ring a bell? But yeah, actually meaning that is harder than saying it.
- mschoch 2y ago
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- shadowgovt 2y ago
  Civil war has a tendency to exponentiate. It doesn't take more than a few people to initiate it (assuming the rhetorical and attitude circumstances are favorable). The 1861 war started with one militia and one fort (really, depending on what historian you're talking to, it started with one religious fundamentalist family and a single raid on Harper's Ferry). In 1861, people picnicked on a hillside to watch the first army-to-army fight of the war. By the end of the war, cities had been burned down.
nonrandomstring 2y ago
Information not inflamation. Please.
intended 2y ago
Or you know - find everyone congressperson who is not doing their job, figure out if they are breaking state, federal law, or even party law. Get special elections going and get a working congress. This paralysis amongst Americans is very un American. You have a decent poltical set up. Use it. You don’t need a magic wand like a civil war. You need to do the boring dull work of reading, analyzing and then making executable plans and getting to it. I’m not that old, and I remember people learning how to make satellites as undergrads in the states. For elective classes. And actually having the damn things go up into space. It’s your life and your country. edit: I was wrong in suggesting finding ways to get to special elections. There are very few ways for a congressperson to be removed. For other ideas - just ask them to resign. Seriously - I doubt many republicans wanted to be part of THIS congress, and have already stated they are afraid of retribution. Ask them to resign, and have people who can take the heat take their seats. Either way, congress needs to work, and for this people need to find their spines, or make way for someone who has a spine. Civil war is NOT a solution, its a failure state, and a failure of imagination and effort on the part of what I remember America to be about.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  > Get special elections going and get a working congress That's not actually legal in many (most?) states. Recall is not a universal feature. What you're advocating for is civil war. In many states, the only way to get Congresspeople to leave would be "voluntarily" (i.e. "We threaten to burn down every piece of property you have if you don't give up your seat"). Which, actually, has worked deep in America's past; the post-Revolutionary era had a lot more "We don't like the governor, so we're going to take his house apart and throw it into the river" stories. You're not wrong exactly, but I think you've underestimated how fundamentally anti-democratic American democracy is. It was a 1.0-template and had baked pretty deeply into it fear of mob rule (hence the President not being chosen by direct vote, for example).
  - hiatus 2y ago
    I think you are conflating two concepts. Most states do not allow recall of state legislators as you mentioned, but recalling federal legislators is not allowed in any state—there is no constitutional mechanism enabling it.
computerthings 2y ago
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> What else can be done? Civil war. It will probably have to come to this, some day or other.

by bambax 2y ago

> What else can be done? Civil war. It will probably have to come to this, some day or other.

If you’re not willing to pick up arms and fight, chances are no one else is, so it will never happen. Most likely nothing can be done and people will just live under a totalitarian fascist regime for the duration of their lives. Keep talking about civil war, you’ll be imprisoned and silenced. You should delete your post.

jasonjayr 2y ago
They should NOT delete their post. Do not comply in advance.
- deadbabe 2y ago
  Do NOT resist compliance unless you’re willing to go all the way with it. It’s not worth losing your comfortable life.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Does "Give me liberty or give me death" ring a bell? But yeah, actually meaning that is harder than saying it.
mschoch 2y ago
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shadowgovt 2y ago
Civil war has a tendency to exponentiate. It doesn't take more than a few people to initiate it (assuming the rhetorical and attitude circumstances are favorable). The 1861 war started with one militia and one fort (really, depending on what historian you're talking to, it started with one religious fundamentalist family and a single raid on Harper's Ferry). In 1861, people picnicked on a hillside to watch the first army-to-army fight of the war. By the end of the war, cities had been burned down.

nonrandomstring 2y ago

Information not inflamation. Please.

intended 2y ago

Or you know - find everyone congressperson who is not doing their job, figure out if they are breaking state, federal law, or even party law. Get special elections going and get a working congress. This paralysis amongst Americans is very un American. You have a decent poltical set up. Use it. You don’t need a magic wand like a civil war. You need to do the boring dull work of reading, analyzing and then making executable plans and getting to it. I’m not that old, and I remember people learning how to make satellites as undergrads in the states. For elective classes. And actually having the damn things go up into space. It’s your life and your country. edit: I was wrong in suggesting finding ways to get to special elections. There are very few ways for a congressperson to be removed. For other ideas - just ask them to resign. Seriously - I doubt many republicans wanted to be part of THIS congress, and have already stated they are afraid of retribution. Ask them to resign, and have people who can take the heat take their seats. Either way, congress needs to work, and for this people need to find their spines, or make way for someone who has a spine. Civil war is NOT a solution, its a failure state, and a failure of imagination and effort on the part of what I remember America to be about.

shadowgovt 2y ago
> Get special elections going and get a working congress That's not actually legal in many (most?) states. Recall is not a universal feature. What you're advocating for is civil war. In many states, the only way to get Congresspeople to leave would be "voluntarily" (i.e. "We threaten to burn down every piece of property you have if you don't give up your seat"). Which, actually, has worked deep in America's past; the post-Revolutionary era had a lot more "We don't like the governor, so we're going to take his house apart and throw it into the river" stories. You're not wrong exactly, but I think you've underestimated how fundamentally anti-democratic American democracy is. It was a 1.0-template and had baked pretty deeply into it fear of mob rule (hence the President not being chosen by direct vote, for example).
- hiatus 2y ago
  I think you are conflating two concepts. Most states do not allow recall of state legislators as you mentioned, but recalling federal legislators is not allowed in any state—there is no constitutional mechanism enabling it.

computerthings 2y ago

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