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Man if that's true it really ruined my day. Do you have proof?

by ghotli 14y ago

patdennis 14y ago
It's not true. If it was nearly that simple, it would be a lot easier to fix.
- quaunaut 14y ago
  Dingdingding. It's more that military contractors have jobs in literally every district in the country, which makes anything done against them 'hurting jobs', etc. There's a lot of money funneled in that direction, but it isn't because of cronyism or anything- just pure hard corporate strategy choices.
- cpeterso 14y ago
  But who would fix that problem? Congress?
  - patdennis 14y ago
    We're talking about changing fundamental aspects of our society, not patching some code. It would require a massive cultural shift, on a number of levels.
joering2 14y ago
Kevin, we are not in Kansans (or Memphis) anymore! Top 100 Defense Contractors (most privately owned) 2007: [1] Further, histories like the one with Chertoff [2] makes U.S. politics really a dirty place: spend trillions of scared US tax payers' money on frying them with cancer in the name of fight on terror with Al Qaeda (quick hint: while we fight them here in US (and of course spend most of your tax money on it), we ally with them somewhere else at the same time [3]). [1] http://www.govexec.com/magazine/2007/08/top-100-defense-contractors/25084/ http://www.govexec.com/magazine/2007/08/top-100-defense-cont... [2] http://gawker.com/5437499/why-is-michael-chertoff-so-excited-about-full+body-scanners http://gawker.com/5437499/why-is-michael-chertoff-so-excited... [3] http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/03/27/us-allies-with-al-qaeda-in-libya/ http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/03/27/us-allies-with-al...
chimi 14y ago
Do you need proof? If so you can watch the 60 minutes expose on their insider trading: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n/ http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n/ They don't just do this in the military industrial complex, they do it across the board, making decisions that benefit their portfolios and constructing their portfolios so their decisions get benefits from laws being passed. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/15/ethically-challenged-congress-needs-law-or-code-banning-insider-trading.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/15/ethically-c... http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2010/05/congressional-insider-trading-bill-stalls.html http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/20...
- pavel_lishin 14y ago
  > Do you need proof? Yes. What kind of a question is this?

Man if that's true it really ruined my day. Do you have proof?

by ghotli 14y ago

Man if that's true it really ruined my day. Do you have proof?

patdennis 14y ago

It's not true. If it was nearly that simple, it would be a lot easier to fix.

quaunaut 14y ago
Dingdingding. It's more that military contractors have jobs in literally every district in the country, which makes anything done against them 'hurting jobs', etc. There's a lot of money funneled in that direction, but it isn't because of cronyism or anything- just pure hard corporate strategy choices.
cpeterso 14y ago
But who would fix that problem? Congress?
- patdennis 14y ago
  We're talking about changing fundamental aspects of our society, not patching some code. It would require a massive cultural shift, on a number of levels.

joering2 14y ago

Kevin, we are not in Kansans (or Memphis) anymore! Top 100 Defense Contractors (most privately owned) 2007: [1] Further, histories like the one with Chertoff [2] makes U.S. politics really a dirty place: spend trillions of scared US tax payers' money on frying them with cancer in the name of fight on terror with Al Qaeda (quick hint: while we fight them here in US (and of course spend most of your tax money on it), we ally with them somewhere else at the same time [3]). [1] http://www.govexec.com/magazine/2007/08/top-100-defense-contractors/25084/ http://www.govexec.com/magazine/2007/08/top-100-defense-cont... [2] http://gawker.com/5437499/why-is-michael-chertoff-so-excited-about-full+body-scanners http://gawker.com/5437499/why-is-michael-chertoff-so-excited... [3] http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/03/27/us-allies-with-al-qaeda-in-libya/ http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/03/27/us-allies-with-al...

chimi 14y ago

Do you need proof? If so you can watch the 60 minutes expose on their insider trading: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n/ http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n/ They don't just do this in the military industrial complex, they do it across the board, making decisions that benefit their portfolios and constructing their portfolios so their decisions get benefits from laws being passed. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/15/ethically-challenged-congress-needs-law-or-code-banning-insider-trading.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/15/ethically-c... http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2010/05/congressional-insider-trading-bill-stalls.html http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/20...

pavel_lishin 14y ago
> Do you need proof? Yes. What kind of a question is this?