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So does being vegetarian or vegan. So does being not the dominant culture in any aspect of life. That's a decision for parents to make and honestly "they'll be

by iteria 1y ago

So does being vegetarian or vegan. So does being not the dominant culture in any aspect of life. That's a decision for parents to make and honestly "they'll be left out" is such a crap parenting take. Especially since it's a bunch of parents together who don't want their kid to have access thinking this together. If they actually talked to each each or just made a stand so people could see, we wouldn't even have this so called social cost. I'm seeing this as a parent in real time. I'm actually changing my kid's friend's parent behaviors by simply being like, "Cool. But my kid isn't/is going to do that" I don't know when parenting happened by social committee, but I don't believe in it.

rapind 1y ago
> I don't know when parenting happened by social committee, but I don't believe in it. It's always been the case. We've just become so individualistic, at least in some western cultures, that we rail against it. There's even an old saying "It takes a village to raise a child".
redczar 1y ago
Your points only make sense in the absence of bad and/neglectful parents. For many decades it was required to prove age in order to consume porn. Porn on the internet ought to have the same requirement. I don’t know the best way to implement it but since the industry isn’t trying to find a solution then government should impose one.
- RHSeeger 1y ago
  Then the government should come up with a good way to prove age that does not negatively impact privacy. It shouldn't be possible for "who is viewing what porn (or other thing)" to be accidentally leaked; because it should be possible to not store the "who" part.
  - redczar 1y ago
    Such a proof does not exist. It is already the case that your porn viewing habits can be leaked. It’s just that at present the one storing the information is not the government.
    - fc417fc802 1y ago
      Can they? It seems highly unlikely to me that most web site operators are colluding with my VPN provider to unmask me. (Yes fingerprinting is a huge issue but the implications of that get fairly complicated.)
      - redczar 1y ago
        Years ago Google released anonymized browsing data to researchers. The researchers were able to determine who did the searches. I imagine a state actor can already determine almost everyone’s online activity.
        fc417fc802 1y ago
        There's definitely some critical information missing there. I don't think you could individually identify me if all you had to go on was the text and timestamp of the searches I made within the past 24 hours. At least yesterday I didn't even look up any local businesses on maps. State actor and porn site operator are two very different things. Pointing to the former in this context reads like a non sequitur to me.
        redczar 1y ago
        I believe most websites keep track of viewing history and ip addresses of where that history comes from. I believe if the government wanted to determine what your internet history is they could do so with a great deal of accuracy. As such I think the complaint that requiring proof of age would be a privacy nightmare is not relevant. We already live in an age of relatively little privacy.
        1y ago
- viraptor 1y ago
  That's just not possible in practice. There's lots of people who enjoy publishing their sex, not commercially. There's no place under a single jurisdiction that can be filtered or required to prove age. Any social network will contain groups of people using it to distribute porn. When common ones are closed, dedicated ones are created.
  - redczar 1y ago
    I don’t understand what you are saying. The government can force providers to make their users prove their age. And people can violate the law and try to avoid this.

by iteria 1y ago

rapind 1y ago

> I don't know when parenting happened by social committee, but I don't believe in it. It's always been the case. We've just become so individualistic, at least in some western cultures, that we rail against it. There's even an old saying "It takes a village to raise a child".

redczar 1y ago

Your points only make sense in the absence of bad and/neglectful parents. For many decades it was required to prove age in order to consume porn. Porn on the internet ought to have the same requirement. I don’t know the best way to implement it but since the industry isn’t trying to find a solution then government should impose one.

RHSeeger 1y ago
Then the government should come up with a good way to prove age that does not negatively impact privacy. It shouldn't be possible for "who is viewing what porn (or other thing)" to be accidentally leaked; because it should be possible to not store the "who" part.
- redczar 1y ago
  Such a proof does not exist. It is already the case that your porn viewing habits can be leaked. It’s just that at present the one storing the information is not the government.
  - fc417fc802 1y ago
    Can they? It seems highly unlikely to me that most web site operators are colluding with my VPN provider to unmask me. (Yes fingerprinting is a huge issue but the implications of that get fairly complicated.)
    - redczar 1y ago
      Years ago Google released anonymized browsing data to researchers. The researchers were able to determine who did the searches. I imagine a state actor can already determine almost everyone’s online activity.
      - fc417fc802 1y ago
        There's definitely some critical information missing there. I don't think you could individually identify me if all you had to go on was the text and timestamp of the searches I made within the past 24 hours. At least yesterday I didn't even look up any local businesses on maps. State actor and porn site operator are two very different things. Pointing to the former in this context reads like a non sequitur to me.
        redczar 1y ago
        I believe most websites keep track of viewing history and ip addresses of where that history comes from. I believe if the government wanted to determine what your internet history is they could do so with a great deal of accuracy. As such I think the complaint that requiring proof of age would be a privacy nightmare is not relevant. We already live in an age of relatively little privacy.
        1y ago
viraptor 1y ago
That's just not possible in practice. There's lots of people who enjoy publishing their sex, not commercially. There's no place under a single jurisdiction that can be filtered or required to prove age. Any social network will contain groups of people using it to distribute porn. When common ones are closed, dedicated ones are created.
- redczar 1y ago
  I don’t understand what you are saying. The government can force providers to make their users prove their age. And people can violate the law and try to avoid this.