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There is a feature where you can search anonymously, using IETF's Privacy Pass standard: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html https://help.kagi.

There is a feature where you can search anonymously, using IETF's Privacy Pass standard: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

TekMol 1y ago
That looks super complicated. And hard to tell if the cryptography works as intended. Why would I go through all that hassle if I can just type my query directly in other search engines?
- dharmab 1y ago
  I mean, it's pretty easy to use. It's a toggle switch in the UI.
  - TekMol 1y ago
    If it is a switch in the UI, then that is just trusting the site. If you trust companies with what they say they do, then why not enter your query in any search engine that does not require a login? Afaik none of them say that they will try to apply fuzzy fingerprinting to cluster your searches into a profile.
    - hobofan 1y ago
      Honest question: Is private search achievable with your worldview?
- mjamesaustin 1y ago
  Because the other search engines offer no privacy and relentlessly track everything you do across the internet?
  - TekMol 1y ago
    How do you know they do that? And how do you know Kagi does not? Whatever the engines secretly do, why would I use one where on top of that I have to actively tag every one of my searches with my email?
    - eitland 1y ago
      > How do you know they do that? Because it has been widely discussed for years. > And how do you know Kagi does not? Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess
      - TekMol 1y ago
        > Because it has been widely discussed for years. That Google does fingerprinting across searches to cluster them and pinpoint them to a person? Are you sure you are not confusing this with cookies? Cookies are under my control. I can decide to not store them or just delete them. > Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess You can't know what source code that is running on the server which you send your queries to.
        eitland 1y ago
        I think it is interesting that you think everything Google does is kind of more ok just because you think it is limited to cookies while simultaneously being extremely skeptical towards Kagi, not giving them the slightest benefit of doubt. > You can't know what source code that is running on the server which you send your queries to. Based on my (admittedly cursory) reading of the ideas behind it, the idea of the IETF standard they implemented is that one does not have to trust the server.
        lurking_swe 1y ago
        yes, even if you clear your cookies: https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/02/google-now-allows-digital-fingerprinting-of-its-users https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/02/google-now-al... i quote: “With all these pieces of information, it’s possible to create a unique fingerprint by which websites can recognize you, even if you clear your cookies. They will even be able to make an informed guess if you visit the same site with a different browser.” i urge you to consider how google makes money. it’s not at all surprising really.
  - ipaddr 1y ago
    Duckduckgo and yandex are search engines.

There is a feature where you can search anonymously, using IETF's Privacy Pass standard: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

TekMol 1y ago

That looks super complicated. And hard to tell if the cryptography works as intended. Why would I go through all that hassle if I can just type my query directly in other search engines?

dharmab 1y ago
I mean, it's pretty easy to use. It's a toggle switch in the UI.
- TekMol 1y ago
  If it is a switch in the UI, then that is just trusting the site. If you trust companies with what they say they do, then why not enter your query in any search engine that does not require a login? Afaik none of them say that they will try to apply fuzzy fingerprinting to cluster your searches into a profile.
  - hobofan 1y ago
    Honest question: Is private search achievable with your worldview?
mjamesaustin 1y ago
Because the other search engines offer no privacy and relentlessly track everything you do across the internet?
- TekMol 1y ago
  How do you know they do that? And how do you know Kagi does not? Whatever the engines secretly do, why would I use one where on top of that I have to actively tag every one of my searches with my email?
  - eitland 1y ago
    > How do you know they do that? Because it has been widely discussed for years. > And how do you know Kagi does not? Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess
    - TekMol 1y ago
      > Because it has been widely discussed for years. That Google does fingerprinting across searches to cluster them and pinpoint them to a person? Are you sure you are not confusing this with cookies? Cookies are under my control. I can decide to not store them or just delete them. > Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess You can't know what source code that is running on the server which you send your queries to.
      - eitland 1y ago
        I think it is interesting that you think everything Google does is kind of more ok just because you think it is limited to cookies while simultaneously being extremely skeptical towards Kagi, not giving them the slightest benefit of doubt. > You can't know what source code that is running on the server which you send your queries to. Based on my (admittedly cursory) reading of the ideas behind it, the idea of the IETF standard they implemented is that one does not have to trust the server.
      - lurking_swe 1y ago
        yes, even if you clear your cookies: https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/02/google-now-allows-digital-fingerprinting-of-its-users https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/02/google-now-al... i quote: “With all these pieces of information, it’s possible to create a unique fingerprint by which websites can recognize you, even if you clear your cookies. They will even be able to make an informed guess if you visit the same site with a different browser.” i urge you to consider how google makes money. it’s not at all surprising really.
- ipaddr 1y ago
  Duckduckgo and yandex are search engines.