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Tesla gives you access to precise trip data, surely this would be blatantly obvious when matched with gps on something like teslafi.com. Sounds like just a sill

by kcb 1y ago

Tesla gives you access to precise trip data, surely this would be blatantly obvious when matched with gps on something like teslafi.com. Sounds like just a silly lawsuit.

quantified 1y ago
Why do you say silly? Have you looked at the plaintiffs' teslafi data?
- andrewinardeer 1y ago
  Plaintiff’s Arguments Misleading Odometer System: Tesla’s odometer system uses predictive algorithms, energy consumption metrics, and driver behavior multipliers, rather than direct distance measurements, resulting in inflated mileage readings (Complaint ¶¶ 3-4, 62-65). These readings deviate from traditional odometers, over-registering mileage by 15% to 117% compared to industry standards (¶ 71). Tesla intentionally designed, manufactured, or tolerated this system to manipulate mileage, violating California Vehicle Code § 28050 (¶¶ 69-73, 133-136).
JohnFen 1y ago
If Tesla is actually fudging the odometer numbers, that also means that all of the other trip data collected by the car is suspect. You couldn't rely on it for this purpose. It would be interesting if someone installed an independent odometer, though, to provide a trustworthy data source for verification.
- kcb 1y ago
  We have that already, it's called GPS...people know how far things are.
  - HPsquared 1y ago
    GPS-derived data can also underestimate the distance if the recording frequency is too low. Probably not a big effect though. It can also overestimate distance travelled if there's a lot of jitter.
- belter 1y ago
  A lot of research by the plaintiff: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard
belter 1y ago
Only thing silly is to trust Tesla. Their own patent explains the odometer does not rely on distance travelled:https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en Multiple Tesla users confirm the same as far back as 2 or 3 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odometer_mileage_vs_actual_miles_discrepancy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome... Edit: I researched this further. See my other post in this thread.
- gruez 1y ago
  >Their own patent explains the odometer does not rely on distance travelled:https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en Where does it say that? There's 0 matches for "odometer".
  - belter 1y ago
    The word odometer is not there. Tesla legal dept is not entirely dumb. There are strong implications throughout the patent that distance estimation, trip planning, and battery charge planning are heavily software-driven, and that mileage to be driven or driven is calculated through software, based on user input and various external conditions.
    - gruez 1y ago
      >There are strong implications throughout the patent that distance estimation, trip planning, and battery charge planning are heavily software-driven, and that mileage to be driven or driven is calculated through software, based on user input and various external conditions. So you're saying because they're doing so much smart stuff to estimate trip distances, they must be using the same smart stuff to fudge the odometer?

by kcb 1y ago

Tesla gives you access to precise trip data, surely this would be blatantly obvious when matched with gps on something like teslafi.com. Sounds like just a silly lawsuit.

quantified 1y ago

Why do you say silly? Have you looked at the plaintiffs' teslafi data?

andrewinardeer 1y ago
Plaintiff’s Arguments Misleading Odometer System: Tesla’s odometer system uses predictive algorithms, energy consumption metrics, and driver behavior multipliers, rather than direct distance measurements, resulting in inflated mileage readings (Complaint ¶¶ 3-4, 62-65). These readings deviate from traditional odometers, over-registering mileage by 15% to 117% compared to industry standards (¶ 71). Tesla intentionally designed, manufactured, or tolerated this system to manipulate mileage, violating California Vehicle Code § 28050 (¶¶ 69-73, 133-136).

JohnFen 1y ago

If Tesla is actually fudging the odometer numbers, that also means that all of the other trip data collected by the car is suspect. You couldn't rely on it for this purpose. It would be interesting if someone installed an independent odometer, though, to provide a trustworthy data source for verification.

kcb 1y ago
We have that already, it's called GPS...people know how far things are.
- HPsquared 1y ago
  GPS-derived data can also underestimate the distance if the recording frequency is too low. Probably not a big effect though. It can also overestimate distance travelled if there's a lot of jitter.
belter 1y ago
A lot of research by the plaintiff: https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard https://nyreehinton.com/pages/tesla/tesla-research-dashboard

belter 1y ago

Only thing silly is to trust Tesla. Their own patent explains the odometer does not rely on distance travelled:https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en Multiple Tesla users confirm the same as far back as 2 or 3 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odometer_mileage_vs_actual_miles_discrepancy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/106m2dz/tesla_odome... Edit: I researched this further. See my other post in this thread.

gruez 1y ago
>Their own patent explains the odometer does not rely on distance travelled:https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US8054038B2/en Where does it say that? There's 0 matches for "odometer".
- belter 1y ago
  The word odometer is not there. Tesla legal dept is not entirely dumb. There are strong implications throughout the patent that distance estimation, trip planning, and battery charge planning are heavily software-driven, and that mileage to be driven or driven is calculated through software, based on user input and various external conditions.
  - gruez 1y ago
    >There are strong implications throughout the patent that distance estimation, trip planning, and battery charge planning are heavily software-driven, and that mileage to be driven or driven is calculated through software, based on user input and various external conditions. So you're saying because they're doing so much smart stuff to estimate trip distances, they must be using the same smart stuff to fudge the odometer?