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You're the one who seems to be ungrounded from the news: "The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to B

by pmags 1y ago

You're the one who seems to be ungrounded from the news: "The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-ja... EDIT: Also from the article above: "Asked again about the idea during Monday's news conference, Trump confirmed he has ordered U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi to explore whether it might be a legal and cost-effective way to house American prisoners. Trump also suggested his administration might send U.S. citizens to be incarcerated in other countries."

slashdev 1y ago
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- hightrix 1y ago
  And how do you get a person from the US to this outsourced prison? By deporting them. This administration has absolutely shown they will deport anyone for any reason. This is just the temperature being raised slowly so us frogs don’t notice. Reference: just read the news. There are multiple stories about multiple people with the same outcome. No due process.
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  > I see your point, but that’s not deporting, it would be outsourcing the prison. How is sending someone out of the US to be imprisoned in another country not deporting them from the US? To imprison them outside the US they have to first expel them from the US. In other words: deport them. Only someone ungrounded from reality would claim that literally deporting people is not deportation.
  - slashdev 1y ago
    I think deportation is permanent. But regardless, it’s a daydream. The courts won’t allow it, for better or worse.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      The courts haven't allowed many of the high-profile deportation of non-citizens that have occurred recently, including the single one that is getting the most attention, having both issued orders in advance and after the fact, to, as yet, absolutely no substantive effect on executive branch behavior. So, while other things may be debatable, what is not debatable is the clear fact that "the courts won't allow it" is not sufficient to establish "it will not happen".
      - slashdev 1y ago
        Let’s see shall we. It won’t happen.
    - Freedom2 1y ago
      Categorically, deportation is not strictly permanent.
- shitter 1y ago
  You probably shouldn't accuse others of being ungrounded in reality if you don't keep up with reality. Regardless of what it is called, it is unconstitutional and illegal; however, that does not seem to matter to this administration. Trump is currently defying a 9-0 SCOTUS ruling that he facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia to the US. His administration has even admitted Garcia was deported in error but still isn't doing anything about it. Now we have ICE holding provable US citizens. Maybe with that context you can understand why some might be concerned that citizens will be "accidentally" disappeared.
  - slashdev 1y ago
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    - bigyabai 1y ago
      How are rational citizens supposed to educate themselves? Synthesize reality from fiction novels?
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      The news is both literally reality, and, more substantively, an important means of accessing the more distant reality that seems to be your concern. Individual news stories often contain inaccuracies and even the accurate bits may be cherry-picked to suit an agenda, which is one reason that accessing the underlying reality requires wide reading of diverse news sources and critical engagement with other information sources. But avoiding the news does not improve your access to reality,
      - slashdev 1y ago
        The news is so sensationalized and editorialized I think it detracts from your understanding of reality.
- b0sk 1y ago
  If you are ungrounded from the news, don't make smartass comments like "Nobody is going to deport citizens. You seem to have become ungrounded in your reality."
  - slashdev 1y ago
    I’ll take a bet with you on that. Nobody is going to deport citizens.
    - shitter 1y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/26/us-citizen-children-deported-ice/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/26/us-cit... Only took 9 days for you to lose this bet.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > I am very much ungrounded from the news, I don’t consume it outside of what I stumble across elsewhere. That’s a feature, not a bug. No, ignorance of current events except what you encounter incidentally without intent and structure is not a "feature", unless your goal is to be an easily-led sheep. > I see your point, but that’s not deporting, it would be outsourcing the prison. It's not merely outsourcing (a term which encompasses what occurs with domestic private prisons) if the US doesn't retain the same full control as it would over domestic prisons, including responsiveness to US court orders regarding innocence, conditions, etc., the avoidance of which is overtly the point of the Trump eagerness. It is much more like deportation than anything else, though, especially where the "prisons" are, in fact, labor camps, you could probably make a case that it is simply reviving the slave trade, rather than deportation.

by pmags 1y ago

slashdev 1y ago

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hightrix 1y ago
And how do you get a person from the US to this outsourced prison? By deporting them. This administration has absolutely shown they will deport anyone for any reason. This is just the temperature being raised slowly so us frogs don’t notice. Reference: just read the news. There are multiple stories about multiple people with the same outcome. No due process.
Jtsummers 1y ago
> I see your point, but that’s not deporting, it would be outsourcing the prison. How is sending someone out of the US to be imprisoned in another country not deporting them from the US? To imprison them outside the US they have to first expel them from the US. In other words: deport them. Only someone ungrounded from reality would claim that literally deporting people is not deportation.
- slashdev 1y ago
  I think deportation is permanent. But regardless, it’s a daydream. The courts won’t allow it, for better or worse.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    The courts haven't allowed many of the high-profile deportation of non-citizens that have occurred recently, including the single one that is getting the most attention, having both issued orders in advance and after the fact, to, as yet, absolutely no substantive effect on executive branch behavior. So, while other things may be debatable, what is not debatable is the clear fact that "the courts won't allow it" is not sufficient to establish "it will not happen".
    - slashdev 1y ago
      Let’s see shall we. It won’t happen.
  - Freedom2 1y ago
    Categorically, deportation is not strictly permanent.
shitter 1y ago
You probably shouldn't accuse others of being ungrounded in reality if you don't keep up with reality. Regardless of what it is called, it is unconstitutional and illegal; however, that does not seem to matter to this administration. Trump is currently defying a 9-0 SCOTUS ruling that he facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia to the US. His administration has even admitted Garcia was deported in error but still isn't doing anything about it. Now we have ICE holding provable US citizens. Maybe with that context you can understand why some might be concerned that citizens will be "accidentally" disappeared.
- slashdev 1y ago
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  - bigyabai 1y ago
    How are rational citizens supposed to educate themselves? Synthesize reality from fiction novels?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    The news is both literally reality, and, more substantively, an important means of accessing the more distant reality that seems to be your concern. Individual news stories often contain inaccuracies and even the accurate bits may be cherry-picked to suit an agenda, which is one reason that accessing the underlying reality requires wide reading of diverse news sources and critical engagement with other information sources. But avoiding the news does not improve your access to reality,
    - slashdev 1y ago
      The news is so sensationalized and editorialized I think it detracts from your understanding of reality.
b0sk 1y ago
If you are ungrounded from the news, don't make smartass comments like "Nobody is going to deport citizens. You seem to have become ungrounded in your reality."
- slashdev 1y ago
  I’ll take a bet with you on that. Nobody is going to deport citizens.
  - shitter 1y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/26/us-citizen-children-deported-ice/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/26/us-cit... Only took 9 days for you to lose this bet.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> I am very much ungrounded from the news, I don’t consume it outside of what I stumble across elsewhere. That’s a feature, not a bug. No, ignorance of current events except what you encounter incidentally without intent and structure is not a "feature", unless your goal is to be an easily-led sheep. > I see your point, but that’s not deporting, it would be outsourcing the prison. It's not merely outsourcing (a term which encompasses what occurs with domestic private prisons) if the US doesn't retain the same full control as it would over domestic prisons, including responsiveness to US court orders regarding innocence, conditions, etc., the avoidance of which is overtly the point of the Trump eagerness. It is much more like deportation than anything else, though, especially where the "prisons" are, in fact, labor camps, you could probably make a case that it is simply reviving the slave trade, rather than deportation.