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I don't know man, for months now people keep telling me on HN how "Google is winning", yet no normal person I ever asked knows what the fuck "Gemini" is. I don'

I don't know man, for months now people keep telling me on HN how "Google is winning", yet no normal person I ever asked knows what the fuck "Gemini" is. I don't know what they are winning, it might be internet points for all I know. Actually, some of the people polled recalled the Google AI efforts by their expert system recommending glue on pizza and smoking in pregnancy. It's a big joke.

mmaunder 2y ago
Try uploading a bunch of PDF bank statements to notebooklm and ask it questions. Or the results of blood work. It's jaw dropping. e.g. uploaded 7 brokerage account statements as PDFs in a mess of formats and asked it to generate table summary data which it nailed, and then asked it to generate actual trades to go from current position to a new position in shortest path, and it nailed that too. Biggest issue we have when using notebooklm is a lack of ambition when it comes to the questions we're asking. And the pro version supports up to 300 documements. Hell, we uploaded the entire Euro Cyber Resilience Act and asked the same questions we were going to ask our big name legal firm, and it nailed every one. But you actually make a fair point, which I'm seeing too and I find quite exciting. And it's that even among my early adopter and technology minded friends, adoption of the most powerful AI tools is very low. e.g. many of them don't even know that notebookLM exists. My interpretation on this is that it's VERY early days, which is suuuuuper exciting for us builders and innovators here on HN.
kube-system 2y ago
While there are some first-party B2C applications like chat front-ends built using LLMs, once mature, the end game is almost certainly that these are going to be B2B products integrated into other things. The future here goes a lot further than ChatGPT.
shmoogy 2y ago
That was ages ago. Their new models excel at many things. Image editing, parsing PDFs, and coding are what I use it for. It's significantly cheaper than the closest competing models (Gemini 2.5 pro, and flash experimental with image generation). Highly recommend testing against openai and anthropic models - you'll likely be pleasantly surprised.

mmaunder 2y ago

Try uploading a bunch of PDF bank statements to notebooklm and ask it questions. Or the results of blood work. It's jaw dropping. e.g. uploaded 7 brokerage account statements as PDFs in a mess of formats and asked it to generate table summary data which it nailed, and then asked it to generate actual trades to go from current position to a new position in shortest path, and it nailed that too. Biggest issue we have when using notebooklm is a lack of ambition when it comes to the questions we're asking. And the pro version supports up to 300 documements. Hell, we uploaded the entire Euro Cyber Resilience Act and asked the same questions we were going to ask our big name legal firm, and it nailed every one. But you actually make a fair point, which I'm seeing too and I find quite exciting. And it's that even among my early adopter and technology minded friends, adoption of the most powerful AI tools is very low. e.g. many of them don't even know that notebookLM exists. My interpretation on this is that it's VERY early days, which is suuuuuper exciting for us builders and innovators here on HN.

kube-system 2y ago

While there are some first-party B2C applications like chat front-ends built using LLMs, once mature, the end game is almost certainly that these are going to be B2B products integrated into other things. The future here goes a lot further than ChatGPT.

shmoogy 2y ago

That was ages ago. Their new models excel at many things. Image editing, parsing PDFs, and coding are what I use it for. It's significantly cheaper than the closest competing models (Gemini 2.5 pro, and flash experimental with image generation). Highly recommend testing against openai and anthropic models - you'll likely be pleasantly surprised.